PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[spiny]

I listened to that earlier.
Martin Samuel in fine form and not diverging in any way from his position 10+ years ago.
Great listen.

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I'd vote for Martin Samuel as an Independant Regulator.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

Thing is, back in 2019 it was all about the UEFA investigation. No-one was talking about the PL investigation even though they opened a case at roughly the same time as UEFA did. So Stefan would've been talking in respect of the UEFA investigation at the time and we ultimately came through that victorious on all the main charges.

Very true. I actually never figured with the date however that makes sense.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Ha, this is good. At least some people see it for what it is.

Manchester City punishments decided by unimpeachably neutral jury of Liverpool experts

The Manchester City verdict is in! (It isn't.) The punishments have been decided! (By some Liverpool Echo journalists.) Plus Everton transfer news.

www.football365.com

This struck a chord too .....

https://www.football365.com/news/op...premier-league-titles-go-for-it-fan-wont-care

 

[Stoned Rose]

It's next week so you'll just have to wait.

Man needs a Peroni box set binge.

 

[Pablo ZZZ Peroni]

I'd vote for Martin Samuel as an Independant Regulator.

Had exactly the same thought :)

The thoughts of Chairman Samuel:

• the shit show has been created by FFP and the self-interest of those at the top
• Feels sorry for Everton because they've invested money to make a go of it.
• Anyone and everyone should be able to invest what they want without limit subject to proetctions against going bust

But what about competition with City?

• They can only keep 15 or 16 players happy at any one time. So we've seen Sterling Chelsea, Jesus and Zinc to Arse last season to enhance a title challenge and Palmer Chelsea this year, a young potential England mainstay.
• Guardiola will be gone at some point and the rest have fuck loads of money anyway

 

[paulchapo]

Had exactly the same thought :)

The thoughts of Chairman Samuel:

• the shit show has been created by FFP and the self-interest of those at the top
• Feels sorry for Everton because they've invested money to make a go of it.
• Anyone and everyone should be able to invest what they want without limit subject to proetctions against going bust

But what about competition with City?

• They can only keep 15 or 16 players happy at any one time. So we've seen Sterling Chelsea, Jesus and Zinc to Arse last season to enhance a title challenge and Palmer Chelsea this year, a young potential England mainstay.
• Guardiola will be gone at some point and the rest have fuck loads of money anyway

I miss reading Martin Samuel as he's the only decent journalist out there but he's now behind a paywall.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Always informative....

 

[Centurions]

There will be all sorts of guesses at this but how long do you think the hearing will take once it actually sits?

The PL team will have to present their evidence on a huge number of individual charges and then ours will offer our defence on each of them. The non cooperation charges could probably be dealt with as one but none of the others. You'd imagine there will be additional points coming up all the time for the panel to address and there is the question of will it sit all day, every day until it's over (I highly doubt that). My guess would be at least a month for the hearing and then deliberations would take time after that.

I thought they already had and we'd replied with a skip full of documents to refute them? Isn't the panel there to consider our response and to make a decision either way and any possible punishment?

 

[Paladin]

The media narrative now being peddled for simple minds.

Everton were deducted 10 points for one breach even though they co-operated with the PL.

Manchester City face 115 charges and fail to co-operate and admit their guilt so should be punished accordingly.

No mention that Everton admitted their breach with the evidence in the public domain through their published accounts. We have seen no such hard evidence against City yet 115 charges are being pushed as uncontroversial and the possibility of them not being proven is incomprehensible.

How dare City challenge what are very serious charges and claim to have irrefutable evidence to disprove them? Punishment needs to be delivered without further delay. The only way City conceivably can get off is by delaying further through the use of expensive lawyers and exploiting loopholes and technicalities. In spite of being cleared by UEFA of similar charges, the possibilty that the charges cannot be proven and the consequences of the reputational damage done to the PL as well as City, does not feature in the narrative.

Everton were found guilty on more than one charge.

 

[Paladin]

Yes, likely the original intention was helping Mancini with offshore funds for tax reasons and obviously nothing to do with FFP.

If you read the documents though you will see that it ended up with him billing us for his tax liability in Italy. We paid.

Almost certainly HMRC would have discussed this with us as some point. They were all over every club for a variety of reasons and have since reclaimed c£750m I think form loads of clubs. Point is this isn't an HMRC issue.

I also think United had some mention of an HMRC ongoing investigation in their accounts, a few years ago. Presumably this has now been settled and hushed up.