PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Whether or not]

Maybe not striking a deal as such but somebody else made the point that the independent panel are probably busy working on the case now and assessing everything ahead of the hearing date. Surely they don't just pitch up on the day of the hearing and start looking at things then - perhaps somebody better qualified than me can clarify? So if they are working on it now then it is possible that some of the charges fall away before the date of the hearing IF there's little in the way of cogent evidence?

If it is to work anything like normal civil proceedings, for example like the Tax Tribunal, both sides exchange a Statement of Case in advance, with the supporting bundles of documents and evidence, and a disclosure process. On considering the statements and evidence, either side can withdraw, partially or totally, if their view is that on the balance of probability they will lose.

 

[supercity88]

Maybe not striking a deal as such but somebody else made the point that the independent panel are probably busy working on the case now and assessing everything ahead of the hearing date. Surely they don't just pitch up on the day of the hearing and start looking at things then - perhaps somebody better qualified than me can clarify? So if they are working on it now then it is possible that some of the charges fall away before the date of the hearing IF there's little in the way of cogent evidence?

The hearing is only there to deal with things that can't be dealt with via written submissions. They will set an agenda for the hearing once they've reviewed the written submissions from both parties in order to focus on the key issues, which will probably follow closely the key issues at CAS. We can then bring our witnesses along from the various sponsors who can say "that money came from us and not HHSM". And the panel will be left with hacked emails vs witness testimony and financial accounts to balance whether City are right or the PL are. The one thing I struggle with is how CAS only found 2-1 in our favour. With CAS we pick an arbiter, UEFA pick one and then CAS appoint one. So I'm guessing the UEFA arbiter found against us...I'm not sure how based on the evidence presented, but that's the one thing that causes me nervousness with this "independent" panel.

 

[Keeper!]

The delay in the hearing is only making the Premier league look like fools , it appears the charges were made well before they had the evidence to proceed with the charges , they were forced into their announcement due to the impending white paper for a government football regulator.

Master's wanted to give the impression that the Premier league can rule with an iron fist hence the Everton, Forest charges but all they are doing is damaging their "brand" world wide at the behest of a couple of football clubs who are trying to run roughshod over the other eighteen Premier league clubs.

After our verdict i can see massive changes , Masters falling on his sword and the inroduction of a government regulator who hopefully will consider all twenty clubs , not just two of them

The delay is not doing anyone any favours and even more so for us.

We won a magnificent treble yet it was in the eyes of some tainted because of this witch hunt.

It needs sorting and very quickly.

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

Hey lads, Wrexham fan here - go easy! Like you, we're high on everyone's agenda since we came into some well deserved investment and attention. Jealousy is a huge part of daily life. Looking at Citys case though, do none of you believe you've never done anything wrong or is it just a huge conspiracy borne out of jealousy and envy? And if found guilty, what kind of punishment are you expecting? Cheers.

Wrexham? Hmmmm. Only Wrexham fan I’ve ever heard of is that utter constable, Herbert. Is that you by any chance?

Just to indulge you though, this isn’t about conspiracy theories or jealousy (although conversely it is as well). It’s about a presumption of guilt without the inconvenience of a fair hearing, and a media smear campaign driven by a load of rag and dipper stooges, designed to permanently eliminate a rival who has cost them tens of millions of pounds every year for well over a decade.

I doubt there’s anyone on this forum - and we’ve got some serious players on here, some with real, top level expertise, and others with contacts at the club - who actually knows if we’re guilty or not (although tellingly our resident experts seem to be universally of the opinion that what we are accused of seems far fetched), and on that basis I’m relatively certain that ‘Dave from Bootle’ or ’Tony the rag from Donegal’ have even less idea, and the same goes for Simon fucking Jordan, Big Jim Shite, Paddy Power, Spitty Carragher, anyone named Harris and the bottom feeding, click chasers at the Daily Mail.
And yet despite no-one really knowing whether we ”did it”, didn’t do it, or perhaps did things that whilst they may seem illegal, actually aren’t, we have been found guilty without a legal ball having been kicked, and the false equivalence of the Everton situation, which has been used as just another stick with which to beat us, has brought that fact into even sharper relief. Disingenuous screaming for us to be punished without the hearing panel having even been convened, never mind delivered a verdict, simply because a load of thick twats can’t get their heads around the notion of a complex fraud case with a million documents and a not guilty plea, taking a teensy weensy bit longer to conclude than a case involving a guilty plea and the simple use of a calculator to extrapolate whether A minus B equals a number above or below C, is our daily lot.

Your last sentence sums it up. Not ‘do you expect to be found guilty or not guilty?’, but rather ‘what kind of punishment do you expect?’.

Fuck off

 

[Keeper!]

Hey lads, Wrexham fan here - go easy! Like you, we're high on everyone's agenda since we came into some well deserved investment and attention. Jealousy is a huge part of daily life. Looking at Citys case though, do none of you believe you've never done anything wrong or is it just a huge conspiracy borne out of jealousy and envy? And if found guilty, what kind of punishment are you expecting? Cheers.

Our only hope of salvation is two Hollywood dickheads taking us over and taking us to the promised land.

Now get back over the border

Hwyl fawr Taffy

 

[halfcenturyup]

Wrexham? Hmmmm. Only Wrexham fan I’ve ever heard of is that utter constable, Herbert. Is that you by any chance?

Just to indulge you though, this isn’t about conspiracy theories or jealousy (although conversely it is as well). It’s about a presumption of guilt without the inconvenience of a fair hearing, and a media smear campaign driven by a load of rag and dipper stooges, and designed to permanently eliminate a rival costing them tens of millions of pounds every year.

I doubt there’s anyone on this forum - and we’ve got some serious players on here, some with real, top level expertise, and others with contacts at the club - who actually knows if we’re guilty or not (not that anyone is even properly aware of what the charges are, cos the PL still haven’t provided any specifics), and on that basis I’m relatively certain that ‘Dave from Bootle’ or ’Tony the rag from Donegal’ have even less idea, and the same goes for Simon fucking Jordan, Big Jim Shite, Paddy Power, Spitty Carragher, anyone named Harris and the bottom feeding, click chasers at the Daily Mail.
And yet despite no-one really knowing whether we ”did it”, didn’t do it, or perhaps did things that whilst they may seem illegal, actually aren’t, we have been found guilty without a legal ball having been kicked, and the false equivalence of the Everton situation, which has been used as just another stick with which to beat us, has brought that fact into even sharper relief. Disingenuous screaming for us to be punished without the hearing panel having even been convened, never mind delivered a verdict, simply because a load of thick twats can’t get their heads around the notion of a complex fraud case with a million documents and a not guilty plea, taking a teensy weensy bit longer to conclude than a case involving a guilty plea and the simple use of a calculator to extrapolate whether A minus B equals a number above or below C, is our daily lot.

Your last sentence sums it up. Not ‘do you expect to be found guilty or not guilty?’, but rather ‘what kind of punishment do you expect?’.

Fuck off

Harsh but fair.

It takes some balls to come on here after the decade we have had and ask what the punishment will be if the panel finds in favour of the PL. He can't be surprised if they get chopped off and fed to him.

No problem with people educating themselves but punishment if guilty? Fuck off.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Thanks for that pal. Weird how anyone asking any kind of question apart from "Why are City being persecuted for nothing?!" is instantly a wind up. What I will say is that if City are found innocent, the Premier League need suing. 115 charges is insane if not proven. On the other hand, with Everton being docked 10 points for a lesser charge, surely a guilty punishment would be huge? What are your thoughts on Everton and Forest btw? I'm wondering if the PL have made them patsies so they can slip these charges on City and then say "See, its not just you!".

Do you think stripping titles to appease the "bigger clubs" is the agenda?

The thing is the 115 is partly a media invention.
There's a relatively small number of actual charges but because they have a different rule number each year, it got listed as far more.

Mind you, they corrected the initially released list which alleged that City were guilty of not entering the FA Cup (because they either didn't realise that the rule number changed, or because it was a horrible rush 2 days before the govt white paper on regulation was issued - you decide!).

 

[Rory Bluelow]

Thanks pal. Not sure what the other guy is on tbh. Odd.

I've been reading a guy on Twitter, Russell Scott and that's what's piqued my interest. The way he puts it, it's cut and dried and involves high level conspiracy and cover ups. Sounds crazy tbh. If it was all true, surely City would already have been brought to book and punished accordingly? A lot of Liverpool fans I know are already counting titles they're going to be given "when justice is served". They almost sound desperate.

It is off the scale crazy and yes they are desperate !

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

It's a mess isn't it. The fact that "115" has become a rallying cry is directly a result of their poor comms. They could have just announced that the PL was investigating and charging City on historical irregularities, that it would take several years to complete, and have left it there. I suspect they thought they were being "neutral" but it backfired massively for them.

The PL has bungled the case from start to finish. The 115 charges narrative piled the pressure on them. It was madness to pour fuel on the flames.

 

[eastmanc]

And you've just realised that after being on here over 13 years?

Good point.