PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

This, fuck em.
Don't agree.

It's possible to record growth...but its NOT possible to record growth that you could've had but not had due to reputation damage.

Imagine how many fans we could've had if their minds hadn't been poisoned by the conspiracy of 'cheating', 'buying success', 'Oil Money' etc & et al.

City's success, style of football,academy,coach,investment in Manchester should/could of made us everyone's second team outside the PL clubs.

But we're are hated & derided at every level by fans, media and laymen.

IMO this is solely due to the reputational damage caused by the organised conspiracy against us.

The finest football ever seen in the UK has cost us more fans than its gained us and that is counter intuitive and contrarian.

Give a dog a bad name....!!
 
Pay no attention mate. We've a problem on this forum with ManUre fans joining & posing as City fans, so there's a unhinged level of paranoia with some around here. I take people as I find until they give me a reason to believe otherwise.

It's not cut & dried pal. In 2018/19, we faced the same charges with UEFA as we do now, were found guilty, fined £30m & given a 2 year Champions League ban, which was suspended, pending our appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS).

On appeal, CAS found us not guilty on all charges, aside from non-cooperation for which we were fined £10m.

Because of our 2014 experience with UEFA/G14, City decided it was pointless showing our hand to them during their investigation stage again, as they would use our evidence to amend their accusations & rules to nail us, exactly as they did in 2014. Yup! That's exactly what they did, hence the zero trust between City & UEFA/G14.

UEFA made their accusations against us based on 6 emails, from over 5 million stolen from us by the notorious Portuguese hacker Rui Pinto.

Of the six emails revealed by the German rag Der Spiegel, two were spliced together from various emails sent a couple of years apart, which gave an out of context view of a sponsorship deal we had with Etisalat.

Once the original emails were viewed with an explanation from City, CAS quickly realised UEFA/G14 had zero actual evidence to backup their claims that our owner injected equity funding into City, disguised as sponsorship.

Essentially what happened was the telecommunications giant Etisalat had a sponsorship agreement with City worth £15m per season over its duration. In 2012/13, we needed to show that money in our account to comply with FFP, so asked Etisalat if they could pay it ahead of schedule.

They couldn’t, but agreed if it could be paid by a bridging loan, they'd be fine with that as they could settle that loan when the original payment schedule ended.

One of the internal City emails between two executives discussed this & it was stated if HRH could source the bridging loan on Etisalat's behalf. Enter UAE financier Jaber Mohammed, who struck a bridging loan deal with Etisalat.

Mohammed paid £15m in 2012 & £15m in 2013 to City which helped us meet FFP. In 2015 when Etisalat's deal ended, they paid Jaber Mohammed back & satisfied the terms of the bridging loan agreement.

Hopefully you're still following me up to this point? :-)

HOWEVER, when this stolen email came to the attention of UEFA/G14, they accused City of getting our owner Sheikh Mansour to pay Jaber Mohammed, who paid City which they claim essentially meant Sheikh Mansour injected money into Manchester City, but disguised it as sponsorship funds from Etisalat.

When asked for evidence of this by CAS, UEFA/G14 didn't have any. They merely connected the dots & made the accusation on their balance of probabilities, based on zero physical evidence, hence why CAS threw their claim out & totally exonerated City.

There was also a claim that City paid part of Roberto Mancini's wages off the books again to circumnavigate FFP. Mancini had an consultancy agreement with ADUG (the company who own City Football Group) to act as a consultant to the Abu Dhabi Football Club - Al Jazira Club worth £1.7m per season.

This was all above board, but UEFA/G14 opined this was done to keep the £1.7m off the books to help City meet FFP requirements. Mancini was on £2m per season basic at City, plus generous bonuses, which pushed his wages closer to £5m per season, but UEFA/G14 still stuck by their claim & added this to City's list of breaches, but again offered zero actual evidence.

Essentially, UEFA/G14 were accusing the Abu Dhabi Royal Family, Roberto Mancini, Etisalat, Etihad Airways & several other high profile multinational companies & huge conglomerates of organised fraud on an industrial scale, BUT without using the word fraud, which would turn their FFP rule "breaches" into a criminal matter, therefore taking it out of their hands & into the hands of the law.

They've inferred all sorts, but never once dared use the word fraud, realising the ramifications if they did. They offered zero actual evidence either, which perfectly highlights the difference between their FFP "Rules" & UK Law.

Their FFP rules are essentially no different to the rules of a private members club. It's like them wanting to sanction a private club member for not washing up their teacup after use. That maybe their club rule, but not washing up your teacup isn't against UK Law.

This is why City are in favour of IREF, the Independent Regulator for English Football, & the Premiere League are dead set against it. Once FFP is looked at through the eyes of UK Law, it doesn't stand a chance. In what other sphere of business isn't a wealthy owner allowed to invest what he likes into his business?

There's a lot more to our situation, but I've tried to give you the most concise answer I can without explaining chapter & verse, going back to the beginning of our charges in 2009.

We just want to play football, but our fans have been forced to become lay-accountants merely to understand our situation. Hopefully this helps. )(
From what you're saying it sounds very much that the club have pushed the boundaries on FFP but kept within the rules.
 
Don't agree.

It's possible to record growth...but its NOT possible to record growth that you could've had but not had due to reputation damage.

Imagine how many fans we could've had if their minds hadn't been poisoned by the conspiracy of 'cheating', 'buying success', 'Oil Money' etc & et al.

City's success, style of football,academy,coach,investment in Manchester should/could of made us everyone's second team outside the PL clubs.

But we're are hated & derided at every level by fans, media and laymen.

IMO this is solely due to the reputational damage caused by the organised conspiracy against us.

The finest football ever seen in the UK has cost us more fans than its gained us and that is counter intuitive and contrarian.

Give a dog a bad name....!!
Any future 'fan' put off by as yet unproved allegations of cheating so eagerly, were never going to be Manchester City fans to begin with.

And I wouldn't want any of them associated with us.
 
Don't agree.

It's possible to record growth...but its NOT possible to record growth that you could've had but not had due to reputation damage.

Imagine how many fans we could've had if their minds hadn't been poisoned by the conspiracy of 'cheating', 'buying success', 'Oil Money' etc & et al.

City's success, style of football,academy,coach,investment in Manchester should/could of made us everyone's second team outside the PL clubs.

But we're are hated & derided at every level by fans, media and laymen.

IMO this is solely due to the reputational damage caused by the organised conspiracy against us.

The finest football ever seen in the UK has cost us more fans than its gained us and that is counter intuitive and contrarian.

Give a dog a bad name....!!
City actually get plenty of plaudits outside many of our on-pitch rivals and shit loads outside of this country as well. It might not feel that way for those of us who are swimming in the goldfish bowl of vitriol from KFA fuckwits but that's the truth. Ignore all the mouth-breathers who say no-one cares about City and our success isn't respected by anyone within the game because it's complete and utter bullshit. We've won the Ballon D'or club of the year 2 years running and even the BBC named us Team of the Year back in December.
 
Any future 'fan' put off by as yet unproved allegations of cheating so eagerly, were never going to be Manchester City fans to begin with.

And I wouldn't want any of them associated with us.
You only have to look at the number of City fans who turned up for our games on the Far East tour last summer and the American tour the summer before to know that many fans - and in particular non-UK based fans - don't give a shit about the allegations. Even a lot of non-UK based fans who support clubs who we perceive to be direct rivals have a certain amount of admiration for our football.
 
Agree on the first part about cogency of evidence.

Not on the second part about the competence of the IP to decide on a matter of fraud. That was my first thought as well, until it was pointed out to me that civil courts decide on matters of fraud all the time on the balance of probabilities.
The IC, however, is NOT a court. It is a body, the members of which are chosen by an appointee of the PL. They are three in number, only one of whom has to have a legal background and is presumably a KC. The "background" of the other two may be in the world of finance. They are to decide whether officials at City are guilty of fraud and effectively to trash the reputation of some of the most important leaders, diplomats and businessmen on the global stage. This is indeed a "big call" and not one a three man panel of a KC and two ex-finance officers from premier clubs can make based on their view of the balance of probabilities. Fraud is fraud and is a criminal matter. City would appeal to the courts who would hear the appeal. No matter that the PL says it is deciding on a matter concerning solely its own rules. As a former solicitor general said concerning the bill declaring that Rwanda was to be considered a safe place to send asylum seekers, the courts will not accept that every dog is a cat simply because legislation says so! Fraud remains fraud whatever the PL says
 
I said I'd do it. I have written a complaint to UEFA. At media@uefa.ch

Dear UEFA, I am writing to complain about the comments made by Aleksander Ceferin that were reported in a recent article in the Daily Telegraph. A link to the article is below.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...r-ceferin-interview-manchester-city-ffp-guilt/

According to the article he said in regard to UEFA's previous investigation into Man City regarding matters related to FFP.

"We know we were right,"

"I don't want to speak about the case in England. But I trust that the decision of our independent body was correct. I didn't enter into this decision."

On the basis that Man City were cleared of all alleged financial wrong doing by CAS, how can he make such comments? What were UEFA right about exactly? In what way was the decision by the independent body correct? Equally, Aleksander Ceferin says himself that he did not enter into the UEFA decision, so how can he know that UEFA were right? In his position, should he be guessing about what Man City did or did not do and speak to the press?

As a result of his comments, it has resulted in a plethora of articles in the press that aim to rile the baying mob that is desperate to see Man City knocked off its pedestal.

I think Aleksander Ceferin should clarify his comments as they are not factually correct when you consider the ruling of CAS.

Can you look into my concerns please?

Best Regards

Bez
Ceferin was right, but the evidence was time barred…

…is what the twatter experts will tell you.
 
He'd make himself unemployable if he did that, no company would ever trust him again

I think his stock will plummet after this gig. They’ve been making money, they’ve even finished runners up so success can only mean winning the premier league.
 

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