The impact of emails on the Covid and Post Office inquiries has been extremely powerful. You can see the looks of utter disdain on the faces of Inquiry’s chairs whenI understand that the request for comms from a number of parties referencing City is standard procedure but it feels like very late in the day for this to be requested now. It could have happened at any point in the 15 or so months since they announced 115 charges (or whatever they are) against City, thus spurring us on to the treble.
It‘s also time for the Premier League or the legal people to step in and put a stop to these tiresome leaks. I think this is possibly the 3rd in quick succession and all to the times newspaper.
I don’t see why not.
The period they are charging us from is 2008/9. That’s 15 years and full disclosure in a criminal trial is normal.
I was thinking along similar lines if the cartel have been tittle tatting about City it wouldn't in itself affect our guilt but if there was something more incriminating like we need to get City stitched up with a smear campaign it would be a lot different so depends what they find. Wouldn't be surprised if City already know hence the blowback.I am not sure whether there being a witch hunt against the club at all affects the substance of the PL's case against City. The allegations are effectively that the club fraudulently filed incorrect accounts and did some other stuff against PL financial rules. Not sure how there being a witch hunt or not is relevant. The club either did those things or they didn't irrespective of whether there was a witch hunt or not.
But if we like conspiracy theories, how about this one:
The club knows there has been some correspondence between the PL and a club that, for example, the PL has insufficient evidence to prove the most serious of the 115 allegations, but they are going ahead anyway because that is what the other club wants. The club don't want to disclose the provenance of the correspondence (for one reason or another ;) ) but they want to raise it with the panel.
What does the club do? It counter-claims on an issue that will require the PL to disclose all its correspondence. They can identify all the incriminating documents in that case, and, once documents have been submitted in one, they can use them in the other. If the PL doesn't disclose the correspondence the club knows about, they are in bigger trouble. Win-win.
I like a good conspiracy theory, me :)
The Times article says that senior PL officials have had to hand over emails. Which suggests that the request was made some time agoIs there any indication when these messages from the PL were requested? There is an assumption that this is a recent development. The news that City have challenged the PL only emerged last week, yet the challenge was made in February or March. Is it possible that these messages were requested back in Match, but this information has only now come to light?
What about the non-cooperation charges ? If we were able to show that the PLs enquiry was not fair and independent and was being driven by certain clubs or that it was being directed by individuals with links (I was going to say "associated with") a party of clubs acting in concert, and in their own interests, I think that would strike to the heart of the process and, at the very least, provide mitigation.
Bloody hell. It’s probably untrue but how clever would that be? You have a devious mind. Ever considered a legal career?
I am not sure whether there being a witch hunt against the club at all affects the substance of the PL's case against City. The allegations are effectively that the club fraudulently filed incorrect accounts and did some other stuff against PL financial rules. Not sure how there being a witch hunt or not is relevant. The club either did those things or they didn't irrespective of whether there was a witch hunt or not.
But if we like conspiracy theories, how about this one:
The club knows there has been some correspondence between the PL and a club that, for example, the PL has insufficient evidence to prove the most serious of the 115 allegations, but they are going ahead anyway because that is what the other club wants. The club don't want to disclose the provenance of the correspondence (for one reason or another ;) ) but they want to raise it with the panel.
What does the club do? It counter-claims on an issue that will require the PL to disclose all its correspondence. They can identify all the incriminating documents in that case, and, once documents have been submitted in one, they can use them in the other. If the PL doesn't disclose the correspondence the club knows about, they are in bigger trouble. Win-win.
I like a good conspiracy theory, me :)
Think of it like this. Obviously, City's primary argument will be that the audited accounts show that everything's been done legitimately and that should be regarded as conclusive. However, you can't guarantee that they'll accept that argument - one member of the CAS panel didn't, for instance - so you have to be meticulous in devising as many reasons as possible to chip away at the other side's evidence to give the IC as many reasons as possible to doubt the PL's case.
It's highly unlikely that any of the PL's emails that are produced will be blatantly incriminating in terms of member clubs and PL executives conspoiring to screw us over. However, I'd argue that any contact on the subject is inappropriate and I suspect there will be exchanges that allow City's lawyers to portray the PL as coming under pressure from influential clubs to act against City. That can be used to create further doubt in the mind of the Panel.
if something is stored locally you could in essence drill the hard drive so its gone, but if we are talking about emails, texts etc then it is nigh on impossible to ever truly erase them if that level of info was required a forensic computer analyst or a decent hacker would get you them , now where could we get some of them, i think china have a few ;)