PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[ganganvince]

The PL proposed a 'tariff' starting at a 6 point deduction for failing FFP and another point deducted for each £5m a team failed by. So 10 points deducted for failing by £20m, which would probably have been Everton's punishment.

The independent commission rejected that however, saying it should be up to them to decide any penalty. And then imposed a 10-point penalty.

Problem being it was after the event, a penalty table for transgression of a ruleshould be set up at the outset otherwise could be construed as punishment fitting the transgressors.

 

[Gone for a Burton]

You're right in part, however it takes two to tango. If City went on the war path in the media defending their reputation. the pile on fron the others would be even worse. Sometimes it is better not to fan the flames, and ignore it as best you can.

I'm sure the club are keeping their tinder dry for now and will launch an attack when the time is right. The owners are not mugs.

Deep down I reckon Rui Pinto was paid to make up the Football Leaks stuff he shared with Der Spiegel. I also think the club has some evidence of this. The fresh charges against Pinto if proven will land him in gaol this time. He has a reputation for trying to negotiate his way out of situations, and I'm pretty sure he will squeal about this subject at that point. He might also be far more open and honest about it once he is convicted, after all a book deal called "Rui Pinto - The true story of how corrupt football clubs paid me to try to ruin Manchester City" would be a best seller.

Several ways to skin the cats....I hope we use them all !!

 

[remember arthur mann]

I am sure it’s not got anything to do with Newcastle being Arab owned and Wrexham being USA Hollywood owned

 

[BamberBridgeBlue]

Does football need all this ffp etc ? Why cant it just be about football clubs being run as the owners wish. Why cant it be a free market.

Has ffp improve football ?

How are Wrexham allowed to spend shed loads but Newcastle cant ?

White Hollywood Celebs v Arabs.

Racism is the preserve of our elites. It’s a rich man’s sport like showjumping etc.

 

[Gingers Dad]

Hi guys I am new on here, although I am a lifelong city fan, my first game was Tottenham at home, we won 5-2, iconic game, Brian Horton was the manager at the time, I have decided to come on to let you fellow city fans know that this is a topic I am really passionate about, just wanting to let people know that I feel like us as fans have kind of been left in the dark over these charges, and so I have personally gone out of my way to approach some of the senior people at city as to what will happen in regards to these charges, just before Christmas I approached Omar Barrada after a leauge home game, he was walking with his 2 kids to his car parked in the car park facing the main entrance of the Colin bell stand, I asked him that me and other sections of the city fan base are a little worried over these charges, he said don’t worry about it, we have nothing to hide, I also approached Tixi most recently after the Everton game, I asked him the same question, his response was Ahh Rubbish!! Rubbish!! I have even asked Mike summerbee and he said don’t worry about it!! The feeling I get from the club is that they are really not worrisome about this whole case, unlike some city fans like me who are worried typical city will resurface and we get the book thrown at us, anyway just thought I would let fans on here know, also this is my first post on here, took a lot for me to post this, but just felt I had to let people know,

Hahaha

 

[terraloon]

I think Everton are looking to reduce the deduction for pleading guilty, saying 10 points are far too many, as it spells relegation for half of the teams in the PL.

I think they might get it reduced to six points, or two victories, with the 4 point difference being a big deal.

Without a clear penalties laid out beforehand, it could seem arbitrary and capricious.

Perhaps a schedule, for example, $0-25M shortfall being a 3 point penalty, $26-50M being 6 points, $51-75M being 9 points, etc… might have made the Everton penalty feel less shocking.

It was only very late in the day that Everton put their hands up indeed up to that point in time they had been economical with the truth when it came to interest on stadium loans and some of their mitigation claims were bound to be dismissed.

Like most if not all the rules surrounding FFP/PSR there are so many flaws and for me one of the craziest is the £105 million maximum.

To some clubs that equates to circa 25% of their turnover others like say city over a 3 year cycle it is less than 10%.

Everton were, despite what they would have you believe, afforded significant concessions they claimed the most in respect of any club when it came to COVID losses , won a significant dispensation when it came to pre planning expenditure, and kept signing players for fees despite the PL telling them that it was their responsibility to make sure that the managed their own finances.

The PL was assured by Everton officials that they would be under the £105 million and that would have been the case had the PL made yet further concessions and agreed that say £4 million of the transfer levy should be claimed as being youth expenditure ( no club has ever claimed that) that a player suspended for alleged sexual offence’s caused a loss and that players that they had planned to sell hadn’t moved on one ironically was awarded a squeaky new lucrative contract. Many of the claims for mitigation weren’t creative they were flawed.

They , Everton, then threw in Steel Costs had gone up , that they lost income as a consequence of the Russian invasion that may be a justified exception in 22/23 but certainly not in 21/22 and prior.

Do I believe that Everton should be deducted points ? No I don’t and of course the sanction list for breaking the limit should be in place prior to any charges and sporting sanction don’t just need to revolve around points . For instance transfer bans, squad limits etc would be far more balanced .

Having said all that if we didn’t have the nonsense that is FFP them their would be far more adherence to the rules and requirements without clever people constantly trying to find work arounds

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

The PL proposed a 'tariff' starting at a 6 point deduction for failing FFP and another point deducted for each £5m a team failed by. So 10 points deducted for failing by £20m, which would probably have been Everton's punishment.

The independent commission rejected that however, saying it should be up to them to decide any penalty. And then imposed a 10-point penalty.

But did the PL leadership communicate the proposed tariff to the clubs before the season started or was it made up on the hoof by Masters and his cronies? I think there may be a get-out for Everton if the sanctions weren’t agreed by all the clubs.

 

[Ric]

Does seem strange that we still haven't heard the outcome of Everton's appeal. It's dragging on far too long.

 

[remember arthur mann]

Does football need all this ffp etc ? Why cant it just be about football clubs being run as the owners wish. Why cant it be a free market.

Has ffp improve football ?

How are Wrexham allowed to spend shed loads but Newcastle cant ?

Don't worry, now the rags are struggling it'll be removed, pronto.

 

[M18CTID]

Does football need all this ffp etc ? Why cant it just be about football clubs being run as the owners wish. Why cant it be a free market.

Has ffp improve football ?

How are Wrexham allowed to spend shed loads but Newcastle cant ?

As I understand it, Wrexham can’t just spend what they want as they’re bound by the EFL’s FFP rules which in some ways are arguably stricter than the PL’s regs. They were allowed to spend what they want in the National League as there is no FFP in that league, but once promoted they’re bound by the same FFP rules as all the other EFL clubs.