PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Prestwich_Blue said:
Because they'll just put self-interest over wider issues. This has long been the case in the EFL, where obvious changes for the better that would benefit the collective have been voted down because many of the clubs think that it might negatively impact them at some future point.

If you're not already aware of it, Google 'Tragedy of the Commons'.

Aristotle even recognised the phenomenon over 2,000 years ago "What is common to many is taken least care of, for all men have greater regard for what is their own than for what they possess in common with others."
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The difference is that the PL is a group of 20, not a group of 72 spread across 4 divisions and the Premier League has shown itself to be incredibly successful under it's own governance.

They've been putting self interest over wider issues for 30 years and it's made them the most successful football league in the world.

You want to pretend that the Premier League is incapable of running itself because, but what evidence is there for that? Is it not more successful than any other sports league? Is it not growing quicker? Is it not the most competitive of the big football leagues? Where is it failing?
 
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domalino said:
Really? Because I couldn't have made it any clearer. How is the Premier League a cartel and not a co-op?
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Because it seems to be serving a small group of financially dominant clubs at the top of the tree and it's attempt to sell it's efforts at 'fair play' regulation as an attempt to prevent another Bury / Portsmouth etc are at best misguided and at worst dishonest - because they do not address debt.
All 20 clubs indeed have a vote, but only on a narrow choice of options. I don't recall a vote on punitive sanctions on debt for example - only spending.
 
It's touching to see the faith on here that an independent regulator is going to make a fundamental change to how the PL is run.
 
domalino said:
Why isn't it right for the 20 clubs to vote on rules that govern them? That's what they've been doing for 30 years and in that time the Premier League has gone from strength to strength, become one of the country's biggest cultural exports, generates billions for the economy and is the best football league in the world.

What exactly do you think getting this current government involved is going to improve? Are you happy with OFCOM? Are you happy with any statutory corporation in this country? TFL, British Rail, BBC etc.?
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The issue with the PL making the rules is that they are clearly not impartial under the baleful influence of the redshirts. The ‘associated‘ rule and the group rules were clearly aimed at us and no-one else.
The rules must be justifiable as genuine efforts at fair competition and as protection for clubs against rogue chairmen. That is the problem with UEFA ffp, the G14 simply refused to accept any regulation of debt and that has skewed them ever since.
Against that, I take your point on current regulators: look at OFWAT and their failure on sewage spillages, for example.
 
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Prestwich_Blue said:
Because they'll just put self-interest over wider issues. This has long been the case in the EFL, where obvious changes for the better that would benefit the collective have been voted down because many of the clubs think that it might negatively impact them at some future point.

If you're not already aware of it, Google 'Tragedy of the Commons'.

Aristotle even recognised the phenomenon over 2,000 years ago "What is common to many is taken least care of, for all men have greater regard for what is their own than for what they possess in common with others."
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So I take it there is no update on the charges then?
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
You seem like a bright bloke, I'm sure you can work it out.
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I want you to name them, because as soon as you do, the idea that the entire league is built and organised around benefitting them crumbles.

Invisible Man's Bandage said:
It's touching to see the faith on here that an independent regulator is going to make a fundamental change to how the PL is run.
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It's complete madness. The same posters will be in the politics thread later compliaining bitterly about the BBC or OFCOM but they're in here begging for a football version.
 
domalino said:
The difference is that the PL is a group of 20, not a group of 72 spread across 4 divisions and the Premier League has shown itself to be incredibly successful under it's own governance.

They've been putting self interest over wider issues for 30 years and it's made them the most successful football league in the world.

You want to pretend that the Premier League is incapable of running itself because, but what evidence is there for that? Is it not more successful than any other sports league? Is it not growing quicker? Is it not the most competitive of the big football leagues? Where is it failing?
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Just because it's successful, doesn't mean it isn't working more for some than others. It also doesn't mean that changing something will stop it being successful, or that it couldn't have been even more successful if things had been done differently.

I don't really have a point here, so I'll stop now. :)
 
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