Prestwich_Blue
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And the agreement to share ticket revenues, which helped maintain a more level playing field when that was virtually the sole source of income.
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PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules
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Dribble
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It's like discussing the decor of the main ballroom on the Titanic, instead of bailing into the lifeboats.Doesnt answer my point, though, which was about the process not the rules.
I knew bits about FFP, but there seemed no coherent explanation about our specific situation until @Prestwich_Blue took part in a discussion on YouTube.
Using his take on matters, I did my own detailed research & tried to simplify it for the FFP lay-members amongst our fans.
Essentially, UEFA & the PL are accusing us of fraud, but daren't use the word for fear of the legal can of worms it would open.
When we as fans get entangled with all the innuendo, nods & winks from the governing bodies which are designed to damage our reputation & public image, & ultimately stunt our challenge to their cherished cartel clubs, we lose sight of what all these alleged breaches are really about & designed to do.
They've failed to stop us on the field, so now they're trying to stop us from the boardroom. That's the tall & short of it.
Cutting to the chase, I repeat they're essentially accusing City of fraud. If this is the case, it's long past the time that the PL & UEFA should come out & say so, or shut the fuck up.
Personally, I'm done playing their idiotic games. The more we try to unpick their 115 breach bollocks, the more we add fuel to the fire they started.
This is why when faced with vitriolic opposition fans, I keep it simple & basic. "If you're calling City cheats, this implies fraud. So where's your proof?". This for me is the beginning & end of the matter.
CAS have already ruled UEFA had no evidence, so why the fuck are the PL picking up their baton & coming at us using the same breaches which have already failed?
It's all bollocks mate. They need to call our alleged breaches what they keep hinting at, & suffer the consequences. The thing I keep highlighting to all is why aren't/don't they?
Outside of this, I'm not getting dragged any deeper into their bullshit rabbit hole about processes, rules or whatever, which are plainly the only mechanisms they have left to stop Manchester City Football Club.
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Good response. I think in City's case that the owners have spent what £1.5 billion? but the club(business) is now valued at £5 billion. That is not spending that is investing. Without that investment then you will get stagnation and no improvement.So cutting to the chase, no more Manchester City's, & those ensconced at the top will remain there unchallenged in perpetuity?
The PL was ALWAYS a competition of who spent most, & everyone was fine with that model as long as ManUre, Chavs, Dippers & ArseAnal retained their hegemony over the league. Did you have an issue with "Cost Controls" then? If not, why?
Our owner DID buy a club in a league without cost controls. The fear of HRH challenging the Cartel Clubs, brought about the very cost controls you're so in favour of.
There's a HUGE difference between financial prudence & cost controls. Financial prudence is sensible business
& you control costs within your business NOT across an industry, which stifles competition & innovation.
Cost controls (whether higher or lower) create cartel monopolies, hence why there are laws against it.
no more Manchester City's, & those ensconced at the top will remain there unchallenged in perpetuity?
No, you’ve fallen into the trap of thinking “financial controls” means the current system. There’s a million ways you could use them like every other sport - to increase parity.
Hahaha you really believe that?Chelsea would have had their legal team look over this transaction and how it would have met the PSR rules. I say kudos for them for finding a loop hole, every club is at it and City have had a good go at it in the past. FFP was brought in to stop clubs going bust, this will not happen to Chelsea with a billionaire owner. It’s daft that clubs are resorting to shenanigans to get round rules that are only resulting with clubs spending less which means a lack of trickle down to teams in the lower leagues.
That’s. not quite right. The biggest predictor is wages not transfer costs. The reason is obvious.
I didn’t say it was transfer costs? It’s total spending.
Dribble
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That is exactly what good businesses do, & Manchester City's meteoric rise from almost bankrupt in 2008, to the highest turnover in football history epitomises your point exactly.Good response. I think in City's case that the owners have spent what £1.5 billion? but the club(business) is now valued at £5 billion. That is not spending that is investing. Without that investment then you will get stagnation and no improvement.
We all need to stop being blinded by the surrounding FFP/PSR bullshit which was only designed to damage & stop us, & instead focus on the breathtaking achievements made possible by our owner, Chairman, CEO, Director of Football, coaching staff & our playing squad.
feedmpenzaandhewillscore
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It's like discussing the decor of the main ballroom on the Titanic, instead of bailing into the lifeboats.
I knew bits about FFP, but there seemed no coherent explanation about our specific situation until @Prestwich_Blue took part in a discussion on YouTube.
Using his take on matters, I did my own detailed research & tried to simplify it for the FFP lay-members amongst our fans.
Essentially, UEFA & the PL are accusing us of fraud, but daren't use the word for fear of the legal can of worms it would open.
When we as fans get entangled with all the innuendo, nods & winks from the governing bodies which are designed to damage our reputation & public image, & ultimately stunt our challenge to their cherished cartel clubs, we lose sight of what all these alleged breaches are really about & designed to do.
They've failed to stop us on the field, so now they're trying to stop us from the boardroom. That's the tall & short of it.
Cutting to the chase, I repeat they're essentially accusing City of fraud. If this is the case, it's long past the time that the PL & UEFA should come out & say so, or shut the fuck up.
Personally, I'm done playing their idiotic games. The more we try to unpick their 115 breach bollocks, the more we add fuel to the fire they started.
This is why when faced with vitriolic opposition fans, I keep it simple & basic. "If you're calling City cheats, this implies fraud. So where's your proof?". This for me is the beginning & end of the matter.
CAS have already ruled UEFA had no evidence, so why the fuck are the PL picking up their baton & coming at us using the same charges which have already failed?
It's all bollocks mate. They need to call our alleged breaches what they keep hinting at, & suffer the consequences. The thing I keep highlighting to all is why aren't/don't they?
Outside of this, I'm not getting dragged any deeper into their bullshit rabbit hole about processes, rules or whatever, which are plainly the only mechanisms they have left to stop Manchester City Football Club.
If they accused a senior member of the UAE government of fraud all hell will break lose from a legal and also a political stand point. It’s going to be a brave member of the three man panel who wants to deliver that verdict within the forum the case is heard in.
No not just according to City fans but according to the City exec team that have faced these accusations before & prevailed.
It’s very hard to have a grown up conversation about anything on here when people are this dishonest from the outset.
The city executives have not faced these accusations before, that is a lie, and it’s a shit lie because everyone in this thread knows it’s a lie.
They faced accusations of breaking different rules written by a different organisation over a different time frame and most likely (we can’t know because it’s not been revealed) for different points of fact.
Dribble
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I'm responding to exactly what you wrote. If you mean something different, say so & I'll respond accordingly.No, you’ve fallen into the trap of thinking “financial controls” means the current system. There’s a million ways you could use them like every other sport - to increase parity.