No it’s not. Its wages full stop. If you add in transfer costs, the total is no longer a good predictor. Witness the biggest spender over the last decade who have not won the title once. Currently Chelsea are outspending all and are mid table.
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PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules
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We're currently governed by FFP/PSR. If you've mean something else, or have an alternative to offer, fill yer boots. I'm all ears...
Which part of my comment about the NFL, cricket, Hockey and baseball made you think I was talking about FFP and not the literal thing I explicitly spoke about - some sort of financial control vs no financial control?
Help me understand, because really the last thing I want is people like you replying to things you’ve imagined I’ve said, instead of what I’ve actually said.
I reather think you are missing the point. If the PL adopted my ‘commitment’ hearing idea, none of this would be happening. So, for example, the ’charges’ that UEFA cleared us of would not be heard again by the PL. Process is just as important as the substantive issue and we are likely to use this if we are found ‘guilty’.It's like discussing the decor of the main ballroom on the Titanic, instead of bailing into the lifeboats.
I knew bits about FFP, but there seemed no coherent explanation about our specific situation until @Prestwich_Blue took part in a discussion on YouTube.
Using his take on matters, I did my own detailed research & tried to simplify it for the FFP lay-members amongst our fans.
Essentially, UEFA & the PL are accusing us of fraud, but daren't use the word for fear of the legal can of worms it would open.
When we as fans get entangled with all the innuendo, nods & winks from the governing bodies which are designed to damage our reputation & public image, & ultimately stunt our challenge to their cherished cartel clubs, we lose sight of what all these alleged breaches are really about & designed to do.
They've failed to stop us on the field, so now they're trying to stop us from the boardroom. That's the tall & short of it.
Cutting to the chase, I repeat they're essentially accusing City of fraud. If this is the case, it's long past the time that the PL & UEFA should come out & say so, or shut the fuck up.
Personally, I'm done playing their idiotic games. The more we try to unpick their 115 breach bollocks, the more we add fuel to the fire they started.
This is why when faced with vitriolic opposition fans, I keep it simple & basic. "If you're calling City cheats, this implies fraud. So where's your proof?". This for me is the beginning & end of the matter.
CAS have already ruled UEFA had no evidence, so why the fuck are the PL picking up their baton & coming at us using the same charges which have already failed?
It's all bollocks mate. They need to call our alleged breaches what they keep hinting at, & suffer the consequences. The thing I keep highlighting to all is why aren't/don't they?
Outside of this, I'm not getting dragged any deeper into their bullshit rabbit hole about processes, rules or whatever, which are plainly the only mechanisms they have left to stop Manchester City Football Club.
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The Premier version of FFP came in 2013
what was the first year it was possible to fail?? 2016?
Yes.
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if the wider world of business had adopted the financial controls that some, ahem, City fan(s), are so in favour of, and arguing so vigorously in favour of, in this of all places, Marks and Spencer would still be a market stall in the East End. As would Tesco. As would J Sainsbury and we would all be buying our groceries on a daily basis from the local shopkeeper.
We wouldn't have fridges to store them in as the fridge manufacturers would have found it impossible to invest in their businesses and develop the technology and would have been legislated out of existence. We wouldnt have cars for the same reasons - the blacksmiths would have legislated the car makers out of existence.
We wouldnt have fitted kitchens, fitted bathrooms, 4k TV's, or very much of anything at all.
29 of the last 30 titles would have been won by the old money redshirts, infact probably 30 of 30 as Leicester would have been kept in the championship for 'cheating FFP'.
It is backward thinking, adopted by backward people.
An remember when reading this thread Blues:
If it looks like a rag twat, writes like a rag twat, and argues like a rag twat, it almost certainly isnt a City fan.
We wouldn't have fridges to store them in as the fridge manufacturers would have found it impossible to invest in their businesses and develop the technology and would have been legislated out of existence. We wouldnt have cars for the same reasons - the blacksmiths would have legislated the car makers out of existence.
We wouldnt have fitted kitchens, fitted bathrooms, 4k TV's, or very much of anything at all.
29 of the last 30 titles would have been won by the old money redshirts, infact probably 30 of 30 as Leicester would have been kept in the championship for 'cheating FFP'.
It is backward thinking, adopted by backward people.
An remember when reading this thread Blues:
If it looks like a rag twat, writes like a rag twat, and argues like a rag twat, it almost certainly isnt a City fan.
Dribble
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What exactly does "Some sort of financial control vs no financial control" in a post about FFP/PSR mean?Which part of my comment about the NFL, cricket, Hockey and baseball made you think I was talking about FFP and not the literal thing I explicitly spoke about - some sort of financial control vs no financial control?
Help me understand, because really the last thing I want is people like you replying to things you’ve imagined I’ve said, instead of what I’ve actually said.
Explain & I'll listen & respond accordingly.
What exactly does "Some sort of financial control vs no financial control" in a post about FFP/PSR mean?
Explain & I'll listen & respond accordingly.
Like I said in the post it means some sort of financial control so that sport is more than who spends the most. Every sport has something different, but they all have something for a reason, which is that runaway unrestricted spending is shit for everyone not owned by the top 5 richest people in the sport.
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Note: some of the charges are specified as “not fulfilling UEFA Rules” and the time periods overlap.There’s nothing dishonest about it.
They do not cover the same set of accounts - or timeframe. PL is 2010-2019, UEFA/CAS was 2014-2019.
They do not cover the same events. Nothing about not disclosing manager or player remuneration in UEFAs investigation,
They did not involve the same parties. UEFA not PL.
They do not relate to the same rules.
Those are indisputable facts.
Marks and Spencer was a street stall in Leeds.if the wider world of business had adopted the financial controls that some, ahem, City fan(s), are so in favour of, and arguing so vigorously in favour of, in this of all places, Marks and Spencer would still be a market stall in the East End. As would Tesco. As would J Sainsbury and we would all be buying our groceries on a daily basis from the local shopkeeper.
We wouldn't have fridges to store them in as the fridge manufacturers would have found it impossible to invest in their businesses and develop the technology and would have been legislated out of existence. We wouldnt have cars for the same reasons - the blacksmiths would have legislated the car makers out of existence.
We wouldnt have fitted kitchens, fitted bathrooms, 4k TV's, or very much of anything at all.
29 of the last 30 titles would have been won by the old money redshirts, infact probably 30 of 30 as Leicester would have been kept in the championship for 'cheating FFP'.
It is backward thinking, adopted by backward people.
An remember when reading this thread Blues:
If it looks like a rag twat, writes like a rag twat, and argues like a rag twat, it almost certainly isnt a City fan.