PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[TonyColemansbagofapples]

Just read the last page and not the previous couple of weeks posts as the thread became a joke. Can someone update me where we’re up to?

 

[Sheikh rattle and roll]

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10 quid each. No slight intended with the pink by the way....

Is there any chance I can have the slbsn shirt in blue please :)

 

[calumdown]

Just read the last page and not the previous couple of weeks posts as the thread became a joke. Can someone update me where we’re up to?

nope.
lazy ****

 

[citizen_maine]

Just read the last page and not the previous couple of weeks posts as the thread became a joke. Can someone update me where we’re up to?

here

 

[Micky Blue]

Stefan doesn't have a story, he just thinks all options are still open and some a little more likely than others. PB's info chimes more with common sense. The headhunter story was openly reported although not specifying which senior PL position was being recruited. It defies belief that the panel's ruling is not also known by the parties after a period of 8 months since the hearing was completed last year. The delay in making the outcome public is clearly for a reason and the most likely is the account given by PB. Agree that the reasons for Stefan spinning out both possibilities are also pretty clear.

I’m not sure you should read too much into the story about the PL putting the feelers out for a new senior position.

It could just be contingency planning. Companies will do it from time to time to see who’s available in case they need a new senior member of staff.
Tbf it could be linked to the case (I think it probably is) as they know Masters position would be untenable if they suffer a heavy loss.

But i don’t think not a strong indicator of a result as they would need to evaluate all options for the outcome.

Personally, I don’t think either party knows as I can’t see it not being linked.

Let’s just hope all this BS is over soon.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

That isn't what he said but the idea that the PL go to all the trouble of a huge trial and formal serious allegations over 12 weeks with hundreds of lawyers and millions of pounds and then want to get all careful about being political is not very unlikely unless you believe that the Panel have absolutely thrown the book at City. And even then I can't see it and nor would that fit with PB's suggestion that the PL want the delay. So, in fact, this is not the way the world works.

You misunderstood my point. What I am saying is that in these sort of cases it is not unusual for political influence on all sides to play a role. The official release could be delayed for numerous reasons. I don’t know what motivation the PL had for bringing this case in the first place. But you can’t rule out old-fashioned malice, corruption, and politics like we have seen in cases like the Post Office scandal.

 

[johnny crossan]

righty oh,
unanswerable questions time.
i cannot help myself now...

socrates (not the footy player) said,
"the only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing."
he also said,
"i know that i know nothing."

clearly he didn't say them in english.

We've only got Plato's word he said anything at all, slippery character that Plato.

 

[calumdown]

Just read the last page and not the previous couple of weeks posts as the thread became a joke. Can someone update me where we’re up to?

you think the thread is a joke.
you can't personally be arsed reading through it,
but you want those of us who have read it and contributed to it to tell you what's been said?

 

[KS55]

righty oh,
unanswerable questions time.
i cannot help myself now...

socrates (not the footy player) said,
"the only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing."
he also said,
"i know that i know nothing."

clearly he didn't say them in english.

Ah, Socrates was echoed by Manuel in Fawlty Towers who said: “I know nothing”

 

[slbsn]

You are referring to the judgement i.e., justification of the outcome but City might have very good confidence on the outcome of sections of the case purely by being party to the case and knowing what was contested and what was not, and knowing what was presented and what was not.

You can all chew up the original PB story into different versions if you like but none of this is what he said. And furthermore, City may well have confidence in some parts of the case but they don't know the outcome save for the parts that were obvious within the hearing - either by being obviously dismissed or, more commonly, formally dropped at some point in the hearing and/or in closing by the other side. But that is not PBs suggestion.

 

[calumdown]

We've only got Plato's word he said anything at all, slippery character that Plato.

i think he was named plato because it meant broad-shouldered.
were he alive today he'd definitely be a blue :)

 

[slbsn]

Stefan doesn't have a story, he just thinks all options are still open and some a little more likely than others. PB's info chimes more with common sense. The headhunter story was openly reported although not specifying which senior PL position was being recruited. It defies belief that the panel's ruling is not also known by the parties after a period of 8 months since the hearing was completed last year. The delay in making the outcome public is clearly for a reason and the most likely is the account given by PB. Agree that the reasons for Stefan spinning out both possibilities are also pretty clear.

It doesn't chime with common sense at all. And I don't think all options are open whatever that means.

 

[slbsn]

All this is speculation. The absence of any leaks suggests that the PANEL have NOT released the result to either party. HOWEVER, there is NO WAY that Khaldoon will not have sat down with his highly paid KC for a full breakdown of how the trial went & to find out his opinion of how the evidence from both sides was presented to the panel - and how they reacted to the evidence we presented.

Other than that - the only speculation that IS true is that of Pannick’s as given privately to Khaldoon.

All IMHO of course.

I'm not the one speculating.

 

[KS55]

i think he was named plato because it meant broad-shouldered.
were he alive today he'd definitely be a blue :)

And he had an animal named after him…….the Duck Billed Plato Puss.

 

[calumdown]

Ah, Socrates was echoed by Manuel in Fawlty Towers who said: “I know nothing”

yep,
and like the rest of us,
he learned it from a book :)

 

[1961_vintage]

righty oh,
unanswerable questions time.
i cannot help myself now...

socrates (not the footy player) said,
"the only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing."
he also said,
"i know that i know nothing."

clearly he didn't say them in english.

His good friend Donald Rumsfeld provided an american-english translation.

 

[KS55]

Plato’s ‘Forms’ were nonsense.

 

[johnny crossan]

It doesn't chime with common sense at all. And I don't think all options are open whatever that means.

I hoped we'd agree for once, ah well ;-)

 

[slbsn]

You misunderstood my point. What I am saying is that in these sort of cases it is not unusual for political influence on all sides to play a role. The official release could be delayed for numerous reasons. I don’t know what motivation the PL had for bringing this case in the first place. But you can’t rule out old-fashioned malice, corruption, and politics like we have seen in cases like the Post Office scandal.

It is quite unusual actually in England and the time for that has passed. Which is why the government are in the dark about the case and why there is a potential diplomatic issue if City lose. If displomacy/influence had played out, there wouldn't have been a 12 week trial where the PL alleged City's owners to have committed wholesale false accounting and nor would UEFA have done the same earlier.

But regardless, that some kind of horse trading is going on to settle matters is not what PB is alleging. He is saying City have won, it has been decided and the PL have asked (and City have agreed) to hold publication.

 

[calumdown]

And he had an animal named after him…….the Duck Billed Plato Puss.

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