PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[cookster]

Doing the rounds now, share via PM

Can you share mate?

 

[CC1]

Doing the rounds now, share via PM

So. Have you sent all the PMs

 

[the-ecstacy-of-eight]

I've had a quick listen back to the City section. Don't think I'd say anything different. Not really sure what Gorton's issue is - most likely stylistic (tough) or a lack of understanding (try to read more on the topic).
Here is the City section (along with grimace):

Just seen the interview for the first time after reading people's (one person's) griping yesterday.

I honestly have no idea why anybody would see that as a win for Jordan (?) Informative interview, that is all it is.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

Really? They opened their investigation around 6 years ago, they have our accounts for every year since the takeover and it took them 5 years to make any allegations. If they had truly convincing evidence this would have been done and dusted before covid arrived. IMO they embarked on a fishing expedition hoping to find something incriminating, instead of which it's ended up as more of a smear campaign.

Of course they can pay lawyers however much they want to put their case forward and lawyers will act on their behalf but I doubt the lawyers who are as highly qualified as hours will have told them that this is a baseless smear campaign and that they'll look fucking ridiculous because there's zero chance of winning and infact be ridiculed because it's no more than a fishing expedition, for them then still to proceed with the case anyway.

Masters/PL are obviously keen enough to run with it, I'd be amazed if that's with the knowledge from their own well regarded solicitors that it's got no chance as you suggest.

 

[Plain Speaking]

i wasnt talking about you personally i was talking about the forumn in general we see this about every single ref and unfortunately they are skewed stats because there is a million permeatations that could be added to these stats that would make them different again, were the games home or away, when did the games take place, who was the opposition etc etc, just the amount of games as a win percentage doesnt really tell the full story which is sadly the same with most stats taken in isolation.

If you look at smaller sample sizes, I agree you can skew data, but the data I used and linked to was the whole PL data over all PL seasons for the referee's and any anomalies, like home or away, or opposition, should be balanced out, over the seasons.

Large data samples give the true underlying patterns. It's clear from seasons of data that Kavanagh has a bias for Liverpool and Taylor for Utd, both with a bias against City.

 

[failsworthblueboy]

I will gladly take a pm if there's one going

Good for you take Rishi Sunak and as far as you can please.

 

[mattcity5]

At the merest whiff of corruption allegations last week, the offices of AC Milan were raided by the police... as were UEFA's HQ and La Liga's HQ...

Now surely, if we were guilty of what the PL is accusing us of, we would have been raided by now?

I guess you only have to raid offices if the club aren't helping investigations. So there goes those charges too.

 

[Invisible Man's Bandage]

Would anyone who has received a PM care to comment as to if it appears to be genuine and good news? I don't mean post the contents but just a brief summary of if it is substantive or just something or nothing.

I would have expected lots of excitement/giddiness if it looks like the PL case has collapsed so the absence of that leads me to think it's the latter.

 

[Keeper!]

I think the statements the club have issued, have not been given enough merit or mention.

Stefan has repeatedly pointed out that as a starting point, it would have to be considered as unlikley that deceit of this scale involving so many people has been carried out for so long. Based on basic logic as well audited books and evidence.

Well to me, the same goes for their statements. They are completely unambiguous, direct, and proclaiming total innocence.

To think we are guilty is then presuming the heads of the club, are outright lying.

Serious and significant people, with built up trust and worldwide connections, publicly lying. I don't see that. And that's before you bring cultural traits into it. While we all know about sportswashing and human rights in the Arab world, their cultural value of honesty is not often brought up.

Contrast for example, our statements on both the uefa and PL cases, to our 2014 statement, which while it set out a position of no deliberate wrongdoing, it was more reserved and did use the word like 'difference of interpretation', 'in normal circumstances' etc which left room for it to play out. These have left no doubt that the club are convinced they have done nothing wrong, and I think that should be mentioned more.

100% this, great post.

If our irrefutable evidence is found to be wrong and we are guilty we are truly @uked and will be destroyed as a club and looking for new ownership.

The consequences of guilt for our club and our owner's nation are to scary to think about.

And I just want to say I am 99.99999% certain of our innocence.

 

[salfordbluetrue]

Of course they can pay lawyers however much they want to put their case forward and lawyers will act on their behalf but I doubt the lawyers who are as highly qualified as hours will have told them that this is a baseless smear campaign and that they'll look fucking ridiculous because there's zero chance of winning and infact be ridiculed because it's no more than a fishing expedition, for them then still to proceed with the case anyway.

Masters/PL are obviously keen enough to run with it, I'd be amazed if that's with the knowledge from their own well regarded solicitors that it's got no chance as you suggest.

Prepare to be amazed,4 probably 5 years of a smear campaign, that effected all our income sources and all costs, would have put most clubs under, so yes they would have gone into this with 0% chance of winning. And at that point a big hand to all our Business managers who will have worked under huge pressure and stress over the years.