7 The fact that statutory audit is a fastidious process, meaning the auditors would have sought written assurances to support the club's position re the alleged infractions before providing unqualified audit reports.Do we have a list of reasons to be cheerful?
1 Galassi is super confident
2 The north stand expansion
3 Masters wants it resolved in the near future
4 The cease and desist letters (if they exist)
5 We haven’t been stockpiling young, cheap players like Tommy Doyle who would come in useful if we were relegated
6 We seemed very relaxed about Berrada moving to United
I’m sure there must be more
10: United are fucking shite7 The fact that statutory audit is a fastidious process, meaning the auditors would have sought written assurances to support the club's position re the alleged infractions before providing unqualified audit reports.
8 the nature of the charges meaning multiple parties (including auditors) would be implicated in either colluding with City or being defrauded by City.
9 the high legal bar which must accordingly be cleared.
At the merest whiff of corruption allegations last week, the offices of AC Milan were raided by the police... as were UEFA's HQ and La Liga's HQ...We were cleared of financial wrong doing by CAS. Unless the PL have new damning evidence, which if they had I would expect it to have leaked by now, this is another reason to be cheerful.
i wasnt talking about you personally i was talking about the forumn in general we see this about every single ref and unfortunately they are skewed stats because there is a million permeatations that could be added to these stats that would make them different again, were the games home or away, when did the games take place, who was the opposition etc etc, just the amount of games as a win percentage doesnt really tell the full story which is sadly the same with most stats taken in isolation.I certainly never made any claims about Pawson, prior to Wolves, his stats for us are pretty bang on what you would expect.
Also I am not using 'skewed stats', these are clean stats of the referee win % with clubs. You can compare directly with the club's actual win %.
There should not be such huge discrepancies between referee's win % for different club's. Kavanagh's said to support Liverpool, his win % with them is 72.2%, the highest of all PL clubs, (although Klopp's win % is only 60.9%), City's win% under Kavanagh is 60%, although Pep's win % is 72.6%.
Taylor's said to support Utd, his family are season ticket holders, his win % for Utd is 56.1%, Incredibly the highest of all PL clubs! City's win % under Taylor is 52.9%. Remarkable considering our respective success over the last decade! Taylor has also given less penalties against Utd than any other of the big PL sides, almost 4 times less than he's given against City.
I agree we have to show up and try and take it out of their hands but the intention of the PL/Pigmol to try and nobble us in the next 2 fixtures is clear to see.
We were, by Liverpool's cyber espionage team.At the merest whiff of corruption allegations last week, the offices of AC Milan were raided by the police... as were UEFA's HQ and La Liga's HQ...
Now surely, if we were guilty of what the PL is accusing us of, we would have been raided by now?
Really? They opened their investigation around 6 years ago, they have our accounts for every year since the takeover and it took them 5 years to make any allegations. If they had truly convincing evidence this would have been done and dusted before covid arrived. IMO they embarked on a fishing expedition hoping to find something incriminating, instead of which it's ended up as more of a smear campaign.The PL I'm sure are equally as confident in their position.
Can you share mate?Doing the rounds now, share via PM
So. Have you sent all the PMsDoing the rounds now, share via PM
I've had a quick listen back to the City section. Don't think I'd say anything different. Not really sure what Gorton's issue is - most likely stylistic (tough) or a lack of understanding (try to read more on the topic).
Here is the City section (along with grimace):
Really? They opened their investigation around 6 years ago, they have our accounts for every year since the takeover and it took them 5 years to make any allegations. If they had truly convincing evidence this would have been done and dusted before covid arrived. IMO they embarked on a fishing expedition hoping to find something incriminating, instead of which it's ended up as more of a smear campaign.
If you look at smaller sample sizes, I agree you can skew data, but the data I used and linked to was the whole PL data over all PL seasons for the referee's and any anomalies, like home or away, or opposition, should be balanced out, over the seasons.i wasnt talking about you personally i was talking about the forumn in general we see this about every single ref and unfortunately they are skewed stats because there is a million permeatations that could be added to these stats that would make them different again, were the games home or away, when did the games take place, who was the opposition etc etc, just the amount of games as a win percentage doesnt really tell the full story which is sadly the same with most stats taken in isolation.
Good for you take Rishi Sunak and as far as you can please.I will gladly take a pm if there's one going
At the merest whiff of corruption allegations last week, the offices of AC Milan were raided by the police... as were UEFA's HQ and La Liga's HQ...
Now surely, if we were guilty of what the PL is accusing us of, we would have been raided by now?
100% this, great post.I think the statements the club have issued, have not been given enough merit or mention.
Stefan has repeatedly pointed out that as a starting point, it would have to be considered as unlikley that deceit of this scale involving so many people has been carried out for so long. Based on basic logic as well audited books and evidence.
Well to me, the same goes for their statements. They are completely unambiguous, direct, and proclaiming total innocence.
To think we are guilty is then presuming the heads of the club, are outright lying.
Serious and significant people, with built up trust and worldwide connections, publicly lying. I don't see that. And that's before you bring cultural traits into it. While we all know about sportswashing and human rights in the Arab world, their cultural value of honesty is not often brought up.
Contrast for example, our statements on both the uefa and PL cases, to our 2014 statement, which while it set out a position of no deliberate wrongdoing, it was more reserved and did use the word like 'difference of interpretation', 'in normal circumstances' etc which left room for it to play out. These have left no doubt that the club are convinced they have done nothing wrong, and I think that should be mentioned more.
Prepare to be amazed,4 probably 5 years of a smear campaign, that effected all our income sources and all costs, would have put most clubs under, so yes they would have gone into this with 0% chance of winning. And at that point a big hand to all our Business managers who will have worked under huge pressure and stress over the years.Of course they can pay lawyers however much they want to put their case forward and lawyers will act on their behalf but I doubt the lawyers who are as highly qualified as hours will have told them that this is a baseless smear campaign and that they'll look fucking ridiculous because there's zero chance of winning and infact be ridiculed because it's no more than a fishing expedition, for them then still to proceed with the case anyway.
Masters/PL are obviously keen enough to run with it, I'd be amazed if that's with the knowledge from their own well regarded solicitors that it's got no chance as you suggest.
Correct, this is why it's completely disingenuous for the likes of Jordan to say he doesn't have an agenda against City.Spot on. I remember listening to Talkshite one morning when getting a lift to work just after UEFA announced they’d banned us for 2 years. Somewhat incredibly, Alan Brazil of all people was one of a very small number in the media ever to actually suggest we might be innocent. He had Ziegler on the show and said something along the lines of “Well City have issued a statement saying they’re innocent of any wrongdoing. Surely that counts for something?”, only for that **** Ziegler to completely ignore what Brazil had just said.
10: United are fucking shite