PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Chris in London said:
If I may say so, the error here is to assume that the artificial and the sham are synonymous. There is however a world of difference between the two. Imagine the scenario plays out like this.

City have it in mind that they will be sacking Hughes’s before too long and think Mancini is their go-to guy. Mancini says “if you want me, hire me, otherwise I’m on the market and may be in another job by the time you decide you do want me.” City, not wanting to take that chance, says this; “our owner also owns a club in the UAE. They will pay you for a modest amount of consultancy work until the time is right.” Mancini looks at his severance packet from Inter and thinks “that works.”

All That might be wholly artificial but it is certainly not a sham. A sham is where two people sign a contract that neither of whom intend to be bound by. I think if anyone had asked Mancini he would very much have intended that he would be paid.

When AJ entered into the contract with Mancini HHSM and his advisers may have had their eye on what would happen if/when Hughes got the axe. That does not make it concealment for remuneration under a contract between a club MCFC don’t own and a manager City don’t employ not to feature in MCFC accounts.
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Great explanation and also a sign of a very savvy and clever business model.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Agree with you completely about how wise it was and exactly why the PL went down this particular rabbit hole. These are all good questions. And obviously I agree that Masters quite clearly isn't an impressive CEO.

But, at some point you get so far down an investigative rabbit hole you can't get back out. You have to go all the way and either find your rabbit, or find there isn't one.

To continue the analogy, I think in this case the bloody rabbit is behind you filling in the rabbit hole as you go deeper so there is, in fact, no way to back out. For the avoidance of doubt, the rabbit in this story is the club, you are the PL and there is no rabbit left in the rabbit hole when you finally get to the end of it. Oh, and the PL are going to end up dead and buried :)
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If you are saying did we set a trap for the hunter knowing that if they proceed they’ll be trapped with the outcome decided by an independent commission, then yes I do.

If Masters had been able to consider the long term implications he wouldn’t have stage managed the attack, 115 & created a winner takes all. It came across as playing to the crowd (cartel) & now he’s fucked. The board should have controlled the situation though, they aren’t blameless so 4 years of investigations would have meant we were discussed & they should have had the foresight to see how it could play out.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Agree that I can't see the PL landing any of the main charges (with the possible exception of Toure which I don't know much about but is small anyway).

On the reason for pursuing the allegations, do you think there is any merit in my view that, at the end, they had no choice? They had investigated for four years and City were presumably withholding key external evidence, so they had a choice: drop the investigation which would set a terrible precedent, or refer the allegations knowing that the external evidence will disprove them when it is provided which would be a terrible result for the cost involved.

There are questions around the investigation and why and when it was carried out, but for the decision to eventually refer the allegations I am not sure they had a choice.

I have said before I think the club know exactly what they are doing, and have the PL exactly where they want them on this whole thing. Clever stuff.

Or maybe it's all bollocks. Interested in your view, though.
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I would love and somewhat believe this explanation but the thought that the PL have spent 10s of millions of pounds fighting one of its founding and arguably most successful founders is fanciable and if not, this will go down as one of the most incredibly scandalous business decisions in the history of man.

If we are cleared and I expect that to be the case, then for me the PL as is today is finished and the thought of the most successful league in the world destroying itself is tragic.
 
Pingu the Penguin said:
Anything that doesn’t find guilt will be jumped on as a whitewash or that we’ve bribed people or that we’ve just out lawyered the PL due to our unlimited nation state wealth. The PR war was lost years ago and it won’t change. It will mean though, if we win, that we can legitimately start suing the rear end off people not careful with their insinuations
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As long as they all live in hell for the rest of their days, this will be satisfactory.
 
manimanc said:
Absolutely no leaks.

How do I know that?

Because the media pricks have gone into overdrive about what will happen to us.

At the minute we're being relegated to the Stockport Sunday league, we're getting docked 500 points, we're getting docked 25 points per season forever, we're also getting expelled from every competition, every single player is looking at other options, pep and kdb will lead the walkouts
Oh and a transfer ban which, by the way, will be hard to impose if we aren't playing in any competition or don't have any players.


So as you can probably tell our lovely chaps in the press are like junkies who have gone cold turkey.
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They are truly pathetic. Might as well be fairy tale writers.
 
Champions again in 2012 said:
The bit I really do not get is 4 years to complete an investigation. Was it carried out by the office junior who picked it up and put down when they got bored or had to go on day release?

4 years, teams could win lots of trophies in 4 years and yes, I know it’s unlikely but a team could possibly win 4 consecutive premier league titles ;-)
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Pretty certain that the investigation didn't go-on all those years. Not sure of the time line but, I'm sure it had lots of pauses for CAS and, the time awaiting the commercial court decision regarding the right of the PL to request documents that City regarded as commercially sensitive, then the subsequent appeal regarding the publication of the case
One of the judges did say to the PL that they need to get a movie on as City had won two PL titles during the time
 
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