PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

slbsn said:
I agree with all of that especially the disaster for the PL if they win - I have been trying to explain this for months.

But I don't agree the worst case is City were just gaming "man made" rules. Sadly the worst case seems to me to be worse than that. Nobody can go around making up financial statements - even if no PL rules existed (and in 2010 there were barely any rules) making up your numbers would still be a breach and is (criminally) contrary to company law too. The type of thing alleged by PL can be a civil offence and criminal offence - the PL couldn't prosecute as a crime but in the outside world it is SFO type crime.
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I worded that poorly, my apologies. I meant "at worst" to mean I think that is the worst thing we may have done. I'm discounting the idea that we committed wide spread criminal fraud out of hand. I understand that the Prem are saying that's what we did, but I think that to be near impossible. That's why I'm saying why create a bloodbath.

If they succeed in getting us on "gaming" some rules as I said we will still be ruined. The fallout for us in the public domain will be colossal. Other than being able to say we got you is it worth it to the league to destroy an entire era of Prem football?

If somehow they were able to actually prove the worst of the charges then all bets are off. I for one would be shocked and completely crestfallen...
 
Newman Noggs said:
Whilst I agree with virtually everything you say, I think that you mistakenly try to attribute reason to a corporation that has no mind of its own. It's reason and logic exist only in the minds of its shareholders and there isn't one of the other shareholders, even those that vote with us on some issues, who wouldn't want to see us wiped off the face of the earth taking our trophies with us Furthermore, I think the most powerful shareholders wouldn't be sorry to see the PL collapse to be replaced with something even more controllable. Indeed, I believe that is the end game here.
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Sad and disgraceful...
 
mcfcphil said:
interesting how this is viewed from different perspectives.

From a purely legal standpoint I see why you view it as having no tangible impact on the case itself.

However, I see it as the thin end of the wedge in terms of it revealing a highly-dysfunctional organisation.

From a comms perspective, issuing a release of this gravity with factual/legal errors is a never event that can’t happen with basic policies and procedures in place.

Someone has pressed “send” on a press release (arguably the most contentious press release ever issued by the organisation) without having assurance over its accuracy.

That is simply astonishing.

1) A comms dept operating with even the most basic safeguards would never issue anything externally with a legal implication without having sign-off from legal.

2) A legal department demands oversight and sign off of anything issued externally with a legal implication (certainly something of this profile)

3) The CEO / board ensures correct policies/procedures in place. For a release of this importance you would imagine they would seek assurance these policies had been followed before final sign off.

The only way that press release gets issued is if all three of the above points are absent, otherwise the errors are caught and rectified.

To have such a fundamental failure on all three accounts can only happen in an organisation with appalling internal governance and ultimately shambolic leadership.
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This is all correct. And if you read the evidence from the APT case it confrms that the PL is dysfunctional and irrational in its dealings with City.
 
johnevans said:
Indeed.. I look forward to us being cleared and the response that will follow from our side to ram it down various Red Cartel, Media and Internet Herberts' throats.. all done with some style and panache, of course!

I'd suggest a celebratory album of covers, hits reworked to reflect the magic number itself, for example:

'One After 115' - The Beatles
'115 Ways To Leave Your Lover' - Paul Simon
'115 Or 6 To 4' - Chicago
'It Takes 115' - Marvin Gaye/Kim Weston
'115 Luftballons' - Nena
'Happy Birthday Sweet 115' - Neil Sedaka
'One (One Five)' - U2
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115 Candles - The Crests
Mambo No. 115 - Lou Bega
115 Times a Lady - The Commodores
867-5115 - Tommy Tutone
9 to 115 - Dolly Parton
Another 115 Bite the Dust - Queen
!!5 Days a Week - The Beatles encore
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
This is all correct. And if you read the evidence from the APT case it confrms that the PL is dysfunctional and irrational in its dealings with City.
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The nonsense spouted by Mai Fyfield in the APT case re her workload was ridiculous. Working late into the night, up very early in the morning etc etc. The subject matter in hand was the renewal of the Etihad contract with a value around £800m, but it sounded like an undergraduate stressing over her dissertation. The lack of professionalism was just astonishing, I couldn't believe what I was reading. Worst still the Panel thought she was an exceptionally good witness....
 
Newman Noggs said:
Whilst I agree with virtually everything you say, I think that you mistakenly try to attribute reason to a corporation that has no mind of its own. It's reason and logic exist only in the minds of its shareholders and there isn't one of the other shareholders, even those that vote with us on some issues, who wouldn't want to see us wiped off the face of the earth taking our trophies with us Furthermore, I think the most powerful shareholders wouldn't be sorry to see the PL collapse to be replaced with something even more controllable. Indeed, I believe that is the end game here.
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You get it.

Like a spoilt child refusing to share toys. If they can’t control the train set, they’ll wreck it. Manchester City should be willing to play the part of the pasty, white, weedy, dodgy moustachioed team playing the Harlem Globetrotters. That’s the “traditional” football pyramid and it should never change. Let’s erase the last decade, like the Bobby Ewing emerging from the shower scene, and pretend it was all a rotten nightmare.

My apologies to anybody under 50 reading this post.
 
LeonardoDaVnci said:
The nonsense spouted by Mai Fyfield in the APT case re her workload was ridiculous. Working late into the night, up very early in the morning etc etc. The subject matter in hand was the renewal of the Etihad contract with a value around £800m, but it sounded like an undergraduate stressing over her dissertation. The lack of professionalism was just astonishing, I couldn't believe what I was reading. Worst still the Panel thought she was an exceptionally good witness....
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The APT case evidence is shocking to read. Imagine a situation where PL officials reject the amount proposed for the Etihad sponsorship out of hand and refuse to even explain their reasoning to City for doing so. Then they ask City to provide their rationale for our figures. We provide those details as requested and the PL take months to reply and then they reply with 96 fresh questions for City to answer. They were just taking the piss out of us. Bad faith is too kind a phrase to use.
 
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