PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[gocity]

Is one problem City have, that no one seems clear on the punishment for each charge ? They seem open-ended.
If it were clear that (say) 20 of the charges just carried minor fines, it might pay City to concede them & give the Premier League a way out ?

The other big problem City have, is how to live with the Premier League & all the other clubs post-judgement. Even (in fact, especially) if we are found innocent on every charge, there's going to be a lot of bad feeling between us & (almost) everyone else.

Why would City concede anything if they know they are innocent? Furthermore why would City want to give them a way out?

 

[FanchesterCity]

Why would City concede anything if they know they are innocent? Furthermore why would City want to give them a way out?

Because in the end it's going to come down to the opinion of 3 folks on a panel based on what is set forth before them.
Even if we appeal, as with any court, the right decision is strived for but never guaranteed.
You can be innocent and appear to be guilty or vice versa.
There are not many avenues for appeal. Just one within the PL procedures.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Because in the end it's going to come down to the opinion of 3 folks on a panel based on what is set forth before them.
Even if we appeal, as with any court, the right decision is strived for but never guaranteed.
You can be innocent and appear to be guilty or vice versa.
There are not many avenues for appeal. Just one within the PL procedures.

Two, although increasingly unlikely and restricted at each stage.

But really they won't be needed. The PL won't be proving the most serious charges even if the club has done what is alleged.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

Because in the end it's going to come down to the opinion of 3 folks on a panel based on what is set forth before them.
Even if we appeal, as with any court, the right decision is strived for but never guaranteed.
You can be innocent and appear to be guilty or vice versa.
There are not many avenues for appeal. Just one within the PL procedures.

It's so not going to be down to opinion. It has to be backed up with fact.

 

[Damanino]

I dont have 100% trust in this panel. especially headed or selected by an Arsenal fan. they re all paid by the PL arent they?
its like they have bunch of expensive lawyers they pay, we have lawyers we pay, and there is a panel to decide on ll this they pay too.
luckily the Leicester case was there where they said to PL to fuckoff albeit it was more of a clever loophole wasnt it.

dont want to say the panel is rigged if they find us guilty but great if they find us innocent, but that is the truth. :)

the case on Chelsea's self admitted crimes was said to be dealt with earlier than our case but not even timelines are shared or even PL charges announced. have a feeling that will be brushed under the carpet.

how the fuck Uefa managed to hand out punishment more than a year ago on that. even if it was just very minor 10m euros fee to be paid. had it been us maybe they start full investigation with expulsion etc and let it go to CAS again. with oother clubs they seem much less serious.

 

[halfcenturyup]

It's so not going to be down to opinion. It has to be backed up with fact.

And the panel members will be erring on the side of cogency so much in such a high profile and serious case it will take some seriously incriminating evidence to persuade them that the club's third party witness statements and accounting evidence aren't convincing. I can't really see any way they have such incriminating evidence on the most serious charges.

All imho, of course.

 

[Newman Noggs]

Probably already been posted? If so, ignore.

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"Retaliate" is an interesting word to use. Wonder whether it's Ornstein's or the club's.

 

[gocity]

I understand that the very nature of any actionable charges is thought to be hostile, but I still believe there are levels to this and that the Prem hasn't done anything to keep the "hostilities" to a somewhat lesser degree. In fact, I could argue they've done the opposite, an example being the way the charges were put into the public's domain. They were put out to cause maximum effect (while even doing a quite sloppy job of it).

Being that we both agree if City were to be essentially cleared it would be deemed a circus why would the Prem put themselves in such a position. I don't see the risk/reward from a rational business standpoint. I believe the Prem could have proceeded with their investigation and subsequent charges without basically instigating a public bloodbath. That's just my opinion.

Also, I don't see how the Prem "win". We are either cleared and it all looks like what some of us believe or we are found in violation and ruined leaving the Prem to explain how a club was able to reach a dominant status in their league over a period extending well beyond a decade only to have been in breach of a slew of serious rules over the same extended period of time. I don't see how that would strengthen the league's position of being some kind of effective self regulator. For me it further highlights their ineptitude and raises the need for someone independent to regulate what goes on.

We're not talking about a 2 or 3 year window. We're saying the Prem has been a sham for the better part of 15 years so everyone please disregard everything that's gone on since about 2009.

At best we've done nothing wrong. At worst we gamed some "man made" rules 5 to 15 years ago. The smart play by the Prem in either situation was to move on. We're not talking a criminal case here, a murder, a violent assault. Tighten up your rules fellas and keep a keener eye. I'm not saying this as a die hard supporter even. It's just simple pros and cons. I don't see any world where City being destroyed as we know them and having over a dozen years of league play tarnished and invalidated would signify a win for the league. I see it as an unmitigated disaster for all involved thus my reference to this being a circus complete with tents, clowns, jugglers, a barker, the whole thing...

You can add to the league play tarnished and invalidated, the way City under pep have changed the way the majority of clubs in England now paly Football. The way this whole issue has been handled by the League and press is appaling and unbelievable

 

[Mr Fraser]

Gary Cook wouldve tipped the apple cart over and set fire to the rain rather than accept the organised and premeditated shit thats come the clubs way.

He'd have put Mario in charge of media & PR ,with Nigel de Jong head of security.

Cookie wouldve been great fun and the ticket prices would've been sorted yonks ago. !!

Is that the same gary cook that appointed Wayne rooney as Birmingham manager?

 

[FanchesterCity]

It's so not going to be down to opinion. It has to be backed up with fact.

It still comes down to subjective opinion of material set before the panel. The balance of probability is not the same as fact.