PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Chris in London said:
Let me try.

(Again.)

The relationship between City and the PL is essentially contractual. One of the terms of that contract is that any disputes will be referred to an independent panel for determination. One of the other provisions is that we will provide accurate accounts.

The claim against City is that we have breached this contract. The way in which we are said to have breached it is serious, and is an allegation of criminal conduct. But the forum in which this dispute will be resolved is that provided for in the contract, and the contract is expressly subject to English law.

This has certain consequence.

One is that English law applies to questions of limitation. Note that an allegation of criminality does not change the limitation period, because, to repeat, the dispute between City and the PL is at its heart a claim of breach of contract. So the rules that say serious charges (like murder or fraud) have no limitation period is inapplicable because this is a civil case (albeit one that includes allegations of fraud.) To put the same point another way, the allegation of criminality does not lift this dispute out of the realms of civil claims.

So, as Petrushka has (repeatedly) argued (correctly) the general 6 year limitation period applies, with the proviso that the fraudulent concealment of the breach would mean that the six year period would only begin once the fraud is discovered.

Maybe this particular groundhog can now be laid to rest.
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We would probably be well served to do a big FAQ page with answers checked over by the legally qualified posters.

Then everyone who isn’t a lawyer can refer back to it as and when necessary.


Maybe even a few of the lurking journalists could use it before they publish their next story on the case…
 
It’s killing them. :-)

Forget the new era at United, and scruffy Jim, all they want is City to be charged, to be relegated, and for all the trophies to be taken off us won during Shiekh Mansour’s ownership of the club. Everyone of them are an expert on financial law and football club management.

City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with 130 FFP breaches | Hearing concluded | Awaiting outcome

Swedish Rumble update on delays that City have used to try and stall/stop case progressing. Years of expensive appeals that have all been kicked out .. clearly trying to drown the case in appeals, cost and time. Which they have an endless supply of. I know we like to say innocent until proven...
www.redcafe.net www.redcafe.net
 
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jrb said:
It’s killing them. :-)

Forget the new era at United, and scruffy Jim, all they want is City to be charged, to be relegated, and for all the trophies to be taken off us won during Shiekh Mansour’s ownership of the club. Everyone of them are an expert on financial law and football club management.

City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with 130 FFP breaches | Hearing concluded | Awaiting outcome

Swedish Rumble update on delays that City have used to try and stall/stop case progressing. Years of expensive appeals that have all been kicked out .. clearly trying to drown the case in appeals, cost and time. Which they have an endless supply of. I know we like to say innocent until proven...
www.redcafe.net www.redcafe.net
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Lot of dippers on sad cafe joining forces with the shite in hope that we'll get stripped, demoted, fined and one even said he hopes city gets sent to oblivion and never to return.
I'm kinda nervous now with all those red accountancy and financial experts saying we are already cheating bastards ;-)
 
Paladin said:
Keep up the dialog mate. I have learnt a lot from your contributions, various responses, and input from @Dribble and @petrusha, @Chris in London to name just a few.
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:) Thanks, but you don't want to listen to me on anything to do with the law, tbh. I only know what has been explained to me by the smarter guys on here. I don't mind repeating it when the great and the good get exasperated at having to continually explain things, though. Which happens quite frequently when they reply to me :D

I know a bit more about accounting (he says modestly).

Happy New Year to you.
 
Dribble said:
This is my whole point. I can accuse you of whatever. Proving a crime has been committed is a totally different thing.

If all the PL & UEFA have to go on is a sentence in a stolen email from 2012, they're on flimsy ground.

It's evident to me they're not only pursuing these charges in the faint hope some will stick, but in the full knowledge that the reputational damage to City being called fraudsters who wouldn't have achieved success unless we cheated, will be the next best outcome.

It's working too. My Spuds supporting family already believe they'd have won a PL or two if not for us being FFP cheats. ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠⊙⁠_⁠ʖ⁠⊙⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯
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Fucking Spurs lol…..

Tell ‘em they came 3rd in a 2 horse race the Spursy wankers.
 
adr2.8i said:
Lot of dippers on sad cafe joining forces with the shite in hope that we'll get stripped, demoted, fined and one even said he hopes city gets sent to oblivion and never to return.
I'm kinda nervous now with all those red accountancy and financial experts saying we are already cheating bastards ;-)
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We know the scousers are good financial experts, they know they way around the benefit system better than anyone. So they can spot a cheat easily.
 
domalino said:
We would probably be well served to do a big FAQ page with answers checked over by the legally qualified posters.

Then everyone who isn’t a lawyer can refer back to it as and when necessary.


Maybe even a few of the lurking journalists could use it before they publish their next story on the case…
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Brilliant idea!

@Chris in London @Prestwich_Blue & others
 
jrb said:
It’s killing them. :-)

Forget the new era at United, and scruffy Jim, all they want is City to be charged, to be relegated, and for all the trophies to be taken off us won during Shiekh Mansour’s ownership of the club. Everyone of them are an expert on financial law and football club management.

City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with 130 FFP breaches | Hearing concluded | Awaiting outcome

Swedish Rumble update on delays that City have used to try and stall/stop case progressing. Years of expensive appeals that have all been kicked out .. clearly trying to drown the case in appeals, cost and time. Which they have an endless supply of. I know we like to say innocent until proven...
www.redcafe.net www.redcafe.net
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Fuck me... This lot have hot it worse than I realised! The utter hatred & disdain for City is palpable...

Ah well :-)
 
lancs blue said:
Hmm, a Blades fan messaged me after the match that he hopes we win the title because:
1. we play the best football
2. he can't stand Liverpool
No mention of charges.
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I've met the odd fan with those sentiments, but the majority I happen across haven't got a clue what the charges are, what the case is about or know how FPP works. As far as they're concerned we're cheats & we're guilty.

I just clicked the link & viewed the Sad Café thread on our charges & it's woefully & chronically pathetic! They want our titles stripped, & City not only banned from the PL, but from the Football League too!

They want our local derby to be against FC Utd, & anything less will prove City's corruption, because it's proof we've paid someone off after being caught bang to rights. ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠⊙⁠_⁠ʖ⁠⊙⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/cit...pl-with-numerous-ffp-breaches.464361/page-152
 
Dribble said:
I've met the odd fan with those sentiments, but the majority I happen across haven't got a clue what the charges are, what the case is about or know how FPP works. As far as they're concerned we're cheats & we're guilty.

I just clicked the link & viewed the Sad Café thread on our charges & it's woefully & chronically pathetic! They want our titles stripped, & City not only banned from the PL, but from the Football League too!

They want our local derby to be against FC Utd, & anything less will prove City's corruption, because it's proof we've paid someone off after being caught bang to rights. ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠⊙⁠_⁠ʖ⁠⊙⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/cit...pl-with-numerous-ffp-breaches.464361/page-152
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1. What on earth did you expect to find on the caf?
2. I tend to find match-going fans of other clubs are less judgmental and more curious about the actual detail, leaving aside the obvious banter.
 
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