PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Chris in London said:
Supper, like dinner, is one of those meals where the word can mean different things.

Where I live, if you are invited for supper, it's dinner without the faff. Relaxed, informal. (Often consisting largely of left-overs.)

When I was growing up, however, supper was a bowl of frosties at ten o'clock at night.
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Posh ****.
 
slbsn said:
That para refers to this from FTT

50. Paragraph 4.1 of the Terms and Conditions for the 2013 Contract (substantially replicated as paragraph 4.1(a) of the Terms and Conditions for the 2015 Contract) which provides that, "the Services will be rendered to the best of the Company's and the Personnel's abilities and all directions and requests given by BSkyB or its nominees will be complied with." We do not accept Mr Firth's submission that this is to be construed as meaning that Sky is unable to require Mr Thompson to express opinions which he did not believe or otherwise to control what he says or to restrict his opinions. This paragraph is unambiguous and does not make any reference to Mr Thompson's opinions. As such, there is no room for Mr Firth's construction.

Then on Control the FTT concluded (I quoted (5) earlier): View attachment 150333

I've not read in detail but it is only theoretical that Sky could direct Thompson or anyone so HMRC succeeded on that point notwithstanding the reality. Para 51 says "Similarly, given the emphasis on reasonableness elsewhere in the Contract and as part of the factual matrix as a whole, we find that it is so obvious to go without saying that the parties did not intend that Sky be entitled to make or give unreasonable directions and requests. It might well be, therefore, that in practice Mr Thompson would not be obliged to express opinions which he did not believe or otherwise to control what he says or to restrict his opinions. However, this is a feature of such a direction or request being unreasonable and in breach of the implied term rather than being the proper construction of paragraph 4.1 (or paragraph 4.1(a)) itself."


By the way, here is a good example of the chaos that will ensue after the decision is published from people claiming it says one thing and others claiming it says something different - and nobody will know for sure. It is possible to have 2 valid interpretations.
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It’s ridiculous that intelligent people cannot write a ruling that is clear particularly when it comes to something as important as contractual law or the law in general.

The fact that the APT panel had to sit again to clear up what they meant to people who are trained to understand does not give me hope.
 
Chris in London said:
Supper, like dinner, is one of those meals where the word can mean different things.

Where I live, if you are invited for supper, it's dinner without the faff. Relaxed, informal. (Often consisting largely of left-overs.)

When I was growing up, however, supper was a bowl of frosties at ten o'clock at night.
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Brekkie
Dinner
Tea
Supper
 
City Raider said:
Had a minor set to with a rag this morning. Was getting nowhere until I said, in fairness it’s not your fault you are ignorant of any facts apart from those you are spoon fed. It’s not your club. Imagine it was though. Wouldn’t you want to know absolutely everything? Read everything, try and understand as much as you can? That’s what we’ve been doing for years now.

So don’t take on any blues in a serious debate. We’ve forgotten more than you’ll ever know.
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Very well put
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
It’s because they have hung so much emotionally on an outcome that they believe will give them vindication and bragging rights. They are definitely more invested in the outcome than any other fans - other than City fans, obviously
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They think they're getting another three League titles.
 
nmc said:
I’ve been standing by my bed since just before 10.00am. I’m hungry and dying to pee. When is the announcement so I know when to stand down?
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Just pretend you're Martin Tyler, piss and scream "and it's live"
 
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half a day and 20 pages gone by.... confirms that the announcement will coincide with the 10,000 post celebration in one months time! It's a sign I tell you, a sign....

umm I think...
 
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