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Platini puts an end to City’s ‘total anarchy’ in the transfer market but will it kill United?
30 AUGUST 2010

UEFA president Michel Platini claims the new rules on spending will end the “total anarchy” in the transfer market. This summer’s transfer window is expected to show another drop in spending by Premier League clubs, despite City’s £126 million spending spree.

UEFA’s new financial fair play rules, aimed at ensuring clubs in European competition only spend what they earn, are due to come into force from next season though they will be introduced gradually. Manchester City look to have the most to fear (in terms of player purchases) from the new rules given our current turnover and wage bill, but there will be some leeway for the first six years. Owners will be allowed to inject 15 million Euros (£12.3 million) a year into clubs up until 2015, and then 10 million Euros (£8.2 million) until 2018, but the cash cannot be a loan.

However, the situation at The Swamp® (and Anfield), who have been paying large sums to pay off the interest on the debts their owners, took out to buy the club remains less clear. The Rags™ say that they will comply with the rules to only spend what they earn but UEFA general secretary Gianni Infantino confirmed that interest payments are taken into account.

Infantino pointed out that, “In 2018 we (UEFA) will assess it and the objective is to go further down. It cannot be a loan however it must be a capital injection or donation. The costs to finance the debt are included.”

So, although these new restrictions may be seen as a problem by Manchester City’s hierarchy it is certainly a lot more worrying for Man Ure (and Liverpool) in their current financial situations, as a result of their huge debts. I can’t see the Glazers turning around and saying, “OK, forget the debt, you can keep it; think of it as a cash injection, oh, and here’s another £200 million for the next ten years.” David Gill, will continue to protest that there is nothing to worry about. That’s fair, he is after all only doing his ‘job’ by making the right noises to calm the Rag™ fans.

But, I seriously can’t see any solution for that lot. It was reported earlier this week that four more of the shopping malls owned by the Glazer family have fallen into default on their mortgages, meaning that nine in total have defaulted with four of those actually going bankrupt. A further 29 out of the 68 malls owned by the Glazers’ ‘First Allied Corporation’ are now so empty of retail units that the revenue they generate does not cover the mortgage payments. The interest rate charged on The Rags™ enormous ‘payment in kind debts’ is set to rise from 14.25% to 16.25% this month, so the news comes at a bad time for the Glazers. United are saddled with huge debts as a result of the takeover by the Glazers. Investment analyst Ansy Green, who has investigated and written about the situation at The Swamp®, believes the situation is one of great concern.

“They show that the Glazer family’s only significant other business is making almost no money, and certainly not generating the cash to reduce United’s massive debts,” he said, “The family’s shopping malls are afflicted by low occupancy rates, more have fallen into default, and whatever David Gill says, there appears no doubt that Manchester United itself will be made to service these useless debts and pay huge interest payments, all money which could have been spent signing players.”

The situation at City though is very different. If Sheikh Mansour handed over a large capital sum to Manchester City now, before the new rules kick in, that would tide us over the next decade. This is likely to be City’s solution to the problem. City’s Football Administrator, Brian Marwood said the club were ‘comfortable’ with the UEFA rules, hinting that this was the way that the club planned to move forward.

“It’s a concern, it’s something that every club has got to be aware of but we are fairly comfortable in terms of where we are at and moving forward, and that element is something that not just Manchester City will face but everybody.”


UEFA President Michel Platini said, “For years and years we were in total anarchy but the clubs asked for the rules because they knew they could not continue. We can see already that the clubs are spending less as they look to balance their books. This is because the first time the break even rule will kick in is in the coming year, the 2011/2012 season. It’s very soon and this means that the strategy to say ‘I can now go and spend hundreds of millions’ doesn’t work because we will see it in two years at the latest. Transfers have not been as crazy as in the last few years, they are pulling up their socks and the clubs are making special efforts to comply with the rules.”

So, that’s how I see it. UEFA have introduced this new rule to curb excessive spending. Something that clubs like Man Ure, Chelsea, Liverpool, Real Madrid etc have been doing for years; but only now City have this huge cash injection and financial benefactor is the rule ‘created’. Fine, we can live with it; as I said I predict that Sheikh Mansour will hand over a vast sum, before next season, to ensure the clubs continued development. However other clubs, such as Man Ure, who have huge debts, will somehow have to balance the books. The Glazers wont, and more importantly, can’t (afford) to do this; so that leaves them with no other option than to sell their prized assets eg Wayne Rooney and, erm, that’s it. Unless of course, the unimaginable, sell The Swamp®, bulldoze it and turn it into a Tesco. David Gill will continue to protest as he squirms through press conferences, but even he must admit to himself in private that this impending regulation could bring dire consequences to his club. Theatre of Dreams? Hardly.

So, it may have been designed to ‘put City in our place’ but the potential backfire could be the ruin of many of Europe’s top clubs, and none more so that the debt ridden Manchester United.
 
The Fixer said:
Platini puts an end to City’s ‘total anarchy’ in the transfer market but will it kill United?
30 AUGUST 2010

UEFA president Michel Platini claims the new rules on spending will end the “total anarchy” in the transfer market. This summer’s transfer window is expected to show another drop in spending by Premier League clubs, despite City’s £126 million spending spree.

UEFA’s new financial fair play rules, aimed at ensuring clubs in European competition only spend what they earn, are due to come into force from next season though they will be introduced gradually. Manchester City look to have the most to fear (in terms of player purchases) from the new rules given our current turnover and wage bill, but there will be some leeway for the first six years. Owners will be allowed to inject 15 million Euros (£12.3 million) a year into clubs up until 2015, and then 10 million Euros (£8.2 million) until 2018, but the cash cannot be a loan.

However, the situation at The Swamp® (and Anfield), who have been paying large sums to pay off the interest on the debts their owners, took out to buy the club remains less clear. The Rags™ say that they will comply with the rules to only spend what they earn but UEFA general secretary Gianni Infantino confirmed that interest payments are taken into account.

Infantino pointed out that, “In 2018 we (UEFA) will assess it and the objective is to go further down. It cannot be a loan however it must be a capital injection or donation. The costs to finance the debt are included.”

So, although these new restrictions may be seen as a problem by Manchester City’s hierarchy it is certainly a lot more worrying for Man Ure (and Liverpool) in their current financial situations, as a result of their huge debts. I can’t see the Glazers turning around and saying, “OK, forget the debt, you can keep it; think of it as a cash injection, oh, and here’s another £200 million for the next ten years.” David Gill, will continue to protest that there is nothing to worry about. That’s fair, he is after all only doing his ‘job’ by making the right noises to calm the Rag™ fans.

But, I seriously can’t see any solution for that lot. It was reported earlier this week that four more of the shopping malls owned by the Glazer family have fallen into default on their mortgages, meaning that nine in total have defaulted with four of those actually going bankrupt. A further 29 out of the 68 malls owned by the Glazers’ ‘First Allied Corporation’ are now so empty of retail units that the revenue they generate does not cover the mortgage payments. The interest rate charged on The Rags™ enormous ‘payment in kind debts’ is set to rise from 14.25% to 16.25% this month, so the news comes at a bad time for the Glazers. United are saddled with huge debts as a result of the takeover by the Glazers. Investment analyst Ansy Green, who has investigated and written about the situation at The Swamp®, believes the situation is one of great concern.

“They show that the Glazer family’s only significant other business is making almost no money, and certainly not generating the cash to reduce United’s massive debts,” he said, “The family’s shopping malls are afflicted by low occupancy rates, more have fallen into default, and whatever David Gill says, there appears no doubt that Manchester United itself will be made to service these useless debts and pay huge interest payments, all money which could have been spent signing players.”

The situation at City though is very different. If Sheikh Mansour handed over a large capital sum to Manchester City now, before the new rules kick in, that would tide us over the next decade. This is likely to be City’s solution to the problem. City’s Football Administrator, Brian Marwood said the club were ‘comfortable’ with the UEFA rules, hinting that this was the way that the club planned to move forward.

“It’s a concern, it’s something that every club has got to be aware of but we are fairly comfortable in terms of where we are at and moving forward, and that element is something that not just Manchester City will face but everybody.”


UEFA President Michel Platini said, “For years and years we were in total anarchy but the clubs asked for the rules because they knew they could not continue. We can see already that the clubs are spending less as they look to balance their books. This is because the first time the break even rule will kick in is in the coming year, the 2011/2012 season. It’s very soon and this means that the strategy to say ‘I can now go and spend hundreds of millions’ doesn’t work because we will see it in two years at the latest. Transfers have not been as crazy as in the last few years, they are pulling up their socks and the clubs are making special efforts to comply with the rules.”

So, that’s how I see it. UEFA have introduced this new rule to curb excessive spending. Something that clubs like Man Ure, Chelsea, Liverpool, Real Madrid etc have been doing for years; but only now City have this huge cash injection and financial benefactor is the rule ‘created’. Fine, we can live with it; as I said I predict that Sheikh Mansour will hand over a vast sum, before next season, to ensure the clubs continued development. However other clubs, such as Man Ure, who have huge debts, will somehow have to balance the books. The Glazers wont, and more importantly, can’t (afford) to do this; so that leaves them with no other option than to sell their prized assets eg Wayne Rooney and, erm, that’s it. Unless of course, the unimaginable, sell The Swamp®, bulldoze it and turn it into a Tesco. David Gill will continue to protest as he squirms through press conferences, but even he must admit to himself in private that this impending regulation could bring dire consequences to his club. Theatre of Dreams? Hardly.

So, it may have been designed to ‘put City in our place’ but the potential backfire could be the ruin of many of Europe’s top clubs, and none more so that the debt ridden Manchester United.

Breakaway super league it is then and all the tv money will go with it.

Platini needs football rather the vice cersa.
 
samharris said:
The Fixer said:
Platini puts an end to City’s ‘total anarchy’ in the transfer market but will it kill United?
30 AUGUST 2010

UEFA president Michel Platini claims the new rules on spending will end the “total anarchy” in the transfer market. This summer’s transfer window is expected to show another drop in spending by Premier League clubs, despite City’s £126 million spending spree.

UEFA’s new financial fair play rules, aimed at ensuring clubs in European competition only spend what they earn, are due to come into force from next season though they will be introduced gradually. Manchester City look to have the most to fear (in terms of player purchases) from the new rules given our current turnover and wage bill, but there will be some leeway for the first six years. Owners will be allowed to inject 15 million Euros (£12.3 million) a year into clubs up until 2015, and then 10 million Euros (£8.2 million) until 2018, but the cash cannot be a loan.

However, the situation at The Swamp® (and Anfield), who have been paying large sums to pay off the interest on the debts their owners, took out to buy the club remains less clear. The Rags™ say that they will comply with the rules to only spend what they earn but UEFA general secretary Gianni Infantino confirmed that interest payments are taken into account.

Infantino pointed out that, “In 2018 we (UEFA) will assess it and the objective is to go further down. It cannot be a loan however it must be a capital injection or donation. The costs to finance the debt are included.”

So, although these new restrictions may be seen as a problem by Manchester City’s hierarchy it is certainly a lot more worrying for Man Ure (and Liverpool) in their current financial situations, as a result of their huge debts. I can’t see the Glazers turning around and saying, “OK, forget the debt, you can keep it; think of it as a cash injection, oh, and here’s another £200 million for the next ten years.” David Gill, will continue to protest that there is nothing to worry about. That’s fair, he is after all only doing his ‘job’ by making the right noises to calm the Rag™ fans.

But, I seriously can’t see any solution for that lot. It was reported earlier this week that four more of the shopping malls owned by the Glazer family have fallen into default on their mortgages, meaning that nine in total have defaulted with four of those actually going bankrupt. A further 29 out of the 68 malls owned by the Glazers’ ‘First Allied Corporation’ are now so empty of retail units that the revenue they generate does not cover the mortgage payments. The interest rate charged on The Rags™ enormous ‘payment in kind debts’ is set to rise from 14.25% to 16.25% this month, so the news comes at a bad time for the Glazers. United are saddled with huge debts as a result of the takeover by the Glazers. Investment analyst Ansy Green, who has investigated and written about the situation at The Swamp®, believes the situation is one of great concern.

“They show that the Glazer family’s only significant other business is making almost no money, and certainly not generating the cash to reduce United’s massive debts,” he said, “The family’s shopping malls are afflicted by low occupancy rates, more have fallen into default, and whatever David Gill says, there appears no doubt that Manchester United itself will be made to service these useless debts and pay huge interest payments, all money which could have been spent signing players.”

The situation at City though is very different. If Sheikh Mansour handed over a large capital sum to Manchester City now, before the new rules kick in, that would tide us over the next decade. This is likely to be City’s solution to the problem. City’s Football Administrator, Brian Marwood said the club were ‘comfortable’ with the UEFA rules, hinting that this was the way that the club planned to move forward.

“It’s a concern, it’s something that every club has got to be aware of but we are fairly comfortable in terms of where we are at and moving forward, and that element is something that not just Manchester City will face but everybody.”


UEFA President Michel Platini said, “For years and years we were in total anarchy but the clubs asked for the rules because they knew they could not continue. We can see already that the clubs are spending less as they look to balance their books. This is because the first time the break even rule will kick in is in the coming year, the 2011/2012 season. It’s very soon and this means that the strategy to say ‘I can now go and spend hundreds of millions’ doesn’t work because we will see it in two years at the latest. Transfers have not been as crazy as in the last few years, they are pulling up their socks and the clubs are making special efforts to comply with the rules.”

So, that’s how I see it. UEFA have introduced this new rule to curb excessive spending. Something that clubs like Man Ure, Chelsea, Liverpool, Real Madrid etc have been doing for years; but only now City have this huge cash injection and financial benefactor is the rule ‘created’. Fine, we can live with it; as I said I predict that Sheikh Mansour will hand over a vast sum, before next season, to ensure the clubs continued development. However other clubs, such as Man Ure, who have huge debts, will somehow have to balance the books. The Glazers wont, and more importantly, can’t (afford) to do this; so that leaves them with no other option than to sell their prized assets eg Wayne Rooney and, erm, that’s it. Unless of course, the unimaginable, sell The Swamp®, bulldoze it and turn it into a Tesco. David Gill will continue to protest as he squirms through press conferences, but even he must admit to himself in private that this impending regulation could bring dire consequences to his club. Theatre of Dreams? Hardly.

So, it may have been designed to ‘put City in our place’ but the potential backfire could be the ruin of many of Europe’s top clubs, and none more so that the debt ridden Manchester United.

Breakaway super league it is then and all the tv money will go with it.

Platini needs football rather the vice cersa.

I'm not so sure. Would that many people actually really be interested in a breakaway super league? I for one definitely would not be.

The TV money might follow it at first but in the end it would turn out to be an inferior product. You would have no away fans as people couldn't afford to travel all over Europe every second week to attend matches, and the loss of local rivalries would hit attendances at home too.

As far as European TV goes, how many neutrals would actually get excited by the prospect of Barcelona Vs Man Utd every week? People watch these games in the Champs League because they only happen occasionally and also because sometimes their own local clubs are involved in the competition or because they dream of their club being involved in the competition. Also Europeans don't like closed leagues without relegation. Would it really be that exciting to see who finishes 1st between the likes of the two mentioned above, Real and the Milans in a league format every year when the club you support no longer has anything to do with the competition? The Yanks and Asians might lap it up but European TV money would dry up and return to the local leagues.

As for the players, any club involved in breakaway like this would be leaving UEFAs jurisdiction and therefore leaving the FIFA system also. These players would presumably no longer be able to represent their countries internationally. Would they really want to give that up when they already earn so much money from the system as it is. And their personal sponsorship deals are often as much to do with the national team they play for as the club.

That has actually come out as a bit of a rant and mightn't make too much sense but I can think of about a 100 reasons why the time of breakaway league you talk about would never happen, or if it did would only lead to the destruction of the clubs involved.
 
I would have been all for this a few years ago, some clubs are not allowed to get into debt, and these, such as the French, now can't compete.

As mentioned before, it is almost impossible to enforce.
 
I´m fairly confident that not much will change really.

The new regulations are not really there to make life difficult for City or the rags, they are there to avoid a new pompey.
If you got money you can always boost turnover, if you got a big turnover you just have to stay in black.

It´s clubs that got neither but are willing to make a gamble that will be stopped.
 
Doesn't the Sheikh own Etihad? If not, doesn't he own Ferrari? If not he must own something other than City. The solution is therefore to get the Sheikh's company to sponsor City to the tune of £afewbillion and therefore we will be in the clear.
 
JOGAMIGMOG said:
Doesn't the Sheikh own Etihad? If not, doesn't he own Ferrari? If not he must own something other than City. The solution is therefore to get the Sheikh's company to sponsor City to the tune of £afewbillion and therefore we will be in the clear.


It will not be allowed, sponsordeals outside normal market value will not be allowed to count.
 
S04 said:
JOGAMIGMOG said:
Doesn't the Sheikh own Etihad? If not, doesn't he own Ferrari? If not he must own something other than City. The solution is therefore to get the Sheikh's company to sponsor City to the tune of £afewbillion and therefore we will be in the clear.


It will not be allowed, sponsordeals outside normal market value will not be allowed to count.


We set the market value.

Say if we get double what united get, who can prove it isn't worth it?
 
i can see us having a bigger ground a 70.000 plus fans each week at £20 a ticket
and £10 for kids

the way around this is to pump the money in before it come in
or have the players on bigger sponsorship deals
that way the clubs dont have to pay them in a wage each week
(like what they call image rights)
 

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