pudge said:
bitsmith said:
Bullshit and clueless as usually.
If that was the case, then each team or at least most of them would have 20 goals strikers but only handful do, 2-3 clubs per league or so.
Dzeko is scoring 0.8 goals per game in Bosnia team built around him (plus 20-30% of those games were when he was not top established player, and 20% were friendlies where he, honestly, usually doesn't give a shit, so it's pretty much a goal per game or more since he became one), and he was doing 20+ goals easily in Wolsfburg where he was main player, and that's only in the league, it's 30+ goals in all competitions..
Single year when Dzeko's playing time at City during one season in all competitions went to equivalent of 30 full games was last season and he scored 26 goals. Other years were around 20-25 games (2000-2500 minutes) and he was scoring 17-18 goals per season. This season is his worst, some 1500 minutes so far with only 6 goals.
So, even at City where he is miles, miles away from being main player or main striker, and with playing time approx. 25 full games per season,
his average is pretty close to 20 goals per season. In the team where he has guaranteed starting place and is not first player to see his name on the sub board pretty much each game as it is at City, he is easily, and I mean very, very easily 20-25 goals per season striker. He ain't Messi for sure but he is surely one of the most profilic goal scorers in Europe in last 6-7 years with 200+ goals scored in that period (116 league goals in equivalent of 180 games). And that's proven with his career stats above, not by perception of some clueless forum poster who dares to compare Bradley fucking Wright Phillips and Edin Dzeko, lol.
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2500 minutes would be roughly 28 full games though, not "20-25"
In terms of his total minutes to full game equivalence per season;
2011 = 27 games (2,400 mins)
2012 = 28 games (2,500 mins)
2013 = 36 games (3,240 mins)
Additionally his "average" at the moment is 14 goals per season, not "close to 20"; 72 goals over 5 seasons as it stands.
I have promoted Edin as a potential 20 goal a season striker, simply because he has proven that. However, if you're going to cry foul over someone's post then it's best to not be as liberal as you've been with your numbers as it doesn't help your point.
Also, there was no direct comparison of Bradley Wright Phillips and Edin Dzeko, it's the principle that if a striker has a team built solely around him then he will more than likely deliver. For example, if New York Red Bulls played to Bradley Wright Phillips' strengths then he could score say 31 goals in 37 games last season.
Dzeko's goals per minutes ratio is fantastic and his longevity and for the most part consistent scoring has shown he can score in various systems. However, as Damocles says he hasn't scored at least 20 in the league, which is difficult but when coupled with his playing time and every man and his dog saying "do x, y and z and he'll score 20/30" for the past 5 seasons then his point is fair. Especially if you consider last season, his most prolific, when we had the likes of Navas whom everyone was crying out for to accompany the likes of Edin he scored 16 league goals in a little over 1990 minutes.
Compare that to Harry Kane this season who has played a little over 1860 minutes and has 19 goals and Costa who has played 1950 minutes and has 19 as well. Aguero last season played 1540 minutes in the league and scored 17 and has the same amount of goals in 1830 minutes this season. So he has played a decent amount of minutes that are shown to be enough to score 20 goals within that time; Kane is on pace to do so.
So perhaps the post was not as "bullshit and clueless" as you initially thought.
Oh, you wanna be completely pedant, Pudge? let's do it, I obviously wasn't counting all minutes by one but generally. But you lose again :)
7016 league minutes
1974 national cup minutes
2020 international cup minutes
TOTAL - 11010 minutes / 90 minutes = 122 full games. 72 goals.
You could of course find some player who played 122 games in 12 season and mark him as 10 goals per season player but since the discussion started with idiotic and clueless claim that every striker could be 20 goals per season player if team was built around him, we are obviously talking about player who is main player/striker in his team, starting ever game, playing 90 minutes in most of them, so those 122 games are bit more than 3 seasons, hence easily 20 goals per season average. And yet he is not main striker nor the team is built around him. Pedant, isn't it :)
Also, there was no direct comparison of Bradley Wright Phillips and Edin Dzeko, it's the principle that if a striker has a team built solely around him then he will more than likely deliver.
No, it's not and it's completely idiotic claim that was main reason I wrote earlier post, wouldn't even bother without it, and I answered that idiotic claim in first sentence of my first post. Each team has it's main striker and most clubs has their striker as focal point of the team, yet only handful number of clubs in any league have 20 goals per seasons players, 3-4 clubs at most. If it is so easy thing to do, we'd surely have 10-15 clubs in any league with striker who scores 20+ goals per season, isn't it? It's such stupid claim that I am shocked that more than one guy could claim but then again, it's you pudge :D
BTW, goals tally from 2008, players from top 5 leagues, all competitions, clubs and national teams:
Messi 395
Ronaldo 353
Ibrahimovic 245
Neymar 233
Suarez 225
Cavani 203
Falcao 202
Van Persie 193
Aguero 192
Lewandowski 189
Dzeko 186
Gomez 186
Higuain 182
Rooney 179
Benzema 178
Huntelaar 160
Muller 157
Drogba 145
Negredo 142
Mandzukic 141
Bony 140
Giroud 138
Robben 135
Tevez 133
Costa 118
Just as I said, only 10 players in Europe (might eventually be some retired ones more) in last 7 years have scored more goals than Dzeko, and each and every of them was main striker in any team any of them played, except Neymar in last 2 seasons.
So, to come and claim that each no name could score 20 goals in the season if he is focal point of the team is not only clueless, it's plain idiotic.
PS, I know you'll come with some of your shit now again but since it's perfectly explained, on a way 5 years kid would understand it, I won't give a flying one to try to do it again :P
Ps2. I am actually not the biggest fan of Dzeko, I don't like his attitude at times on the pitch and don't like how he was accepting some well backed criticism off the pitch but some bullshit some people are talking about him here is quite embarrassing, they are making idiots of themselves. We are talking about guy who scored 53 more goals in 7 years and than world class player Crlos Tevez is, or 41 more goals than Didier Drogba who was main Chelsea star for most part of it, and yet when you read what some clueless so called big football experts here, are talking about him, you'd think he is some relegation team material.
