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Player Topic: Wilfried Bony (2015/16)
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Correct,he was the perfect player for that game plan.I keep reading that if we had Aguero and Silva back we'd have won by more, but we wouldn't. Bony played a superb game, utilising his strength excellently well to give us a platform to build from. I doubt Aguero would have done that job, so as a result our entire game plan would have changed, which could have easily benefitted Sevilla more.
I think there's a degree of ignorance about how you change X player for Y and the impact is still the same, it isn't. That's why Pellegrini and Bony deserve so much credit for their performances.
Big game v Villa, I think the pressure has been relieved by a good preformance midweek and this is a chance to kick on...Think he plays the lone man well at one point against Sevilla there defender simply bounced off him, can keep 2 centre backs busy creating space!!
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His all round game is better than Dzeko. He just needs to match Dzeko's knack of scoring match winning goalsfar far better than dzeko
mosssideblue
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His all round game is better than Dzeko. He just needs to match Dzeko's knack of scoring match winning goals
He has a far better attitude than Dzeko. The goals will come
I have a very specific problem with him that judging by this thread very few people have really think about.
I don't think he's a very good football player; at least not to the standard that it takes to be one of the main strikers at a club like City. Like Dzeko, he reminds me of a handyman.
If your entire fuse box blows up do you call a handyman? No, you ring a spark.
If your entire external wall falls down do you call a handyman? No, you ring a bricklayer.
A handyman is a person who you employ when either you don't want to or don't have the opportunity to get in a truly skilled worker, and instead just want a small job doing to average to decent standards. Sergio Aguero is a joiner because he's specifically useful for a task and performs that task with incredible precision and talent. In fact out of all the joiners around he's one of the best in the world so you pay his rates knowing what you're getting.
Bony is the football equivalent of a handyman. He isn't actually great at anything and is passable at most things. These sort of players are fine as your third and fourth choice players who can beef out the squad, they are absolutely not players who you put the responsibility of being a main starter to.
One of my major frustrations about FFP is that is inherently was illogical. Money is shown to have a huge amount to do with success, and FFP restricts the amount of money you can spend based on where you are in the table in a simplified light. UEFA tried to tell people that in a straight race, you can beat people by running slower than them - you can compete with major clubs by spending less. This to me was both brazen and irritating.
I've always carried the "compete with your competition" mantra into signings as well. We want to compete with Barca, Bayern, and Real Madrid who represent the very top level of squads at the moment. One of the things that we should look at in our team is asking the question "will our first team starters even get in their team?". If the answer is no then they aren't good enough for us because like in FFP, you can't beat people in a race by running slower than them. When we start getting into the third and fourth choices then it becomes less important but we should have 15 players who would compete to get into the those teams.
Would Bony on his own talent, regardless of his form, get in front of Messi, Neymar or Suarez?
What about Ronaldo or Benzema?
Lewandowski or Muller?
Put those 8 names together and Bony is almost certainly the odd one out in terms of talent. Aguero fits it like a glove.
I don't know why City always do this; they buy a second striker who is obviously nowhere near as talented as Aguero then sell them a couple of years later for less. Bony is better than Jovetic but to fair Eddie Large would have been a more effective player for us than Jovetic. He's probably on par with Dzeko in specific terms of talent though Bony wins some fights and Dzeko others. Same with Negredo. Balo could have been the best of the lots but threw it away. The less said about the others the better.
The fact is that City haven't had two quality strikers since the title winning season where both Tevez and Aguero were in the squad. Ever since then it's £30m on average rather than £50m on quality - a road Arsenal metaphorically traveled down for years and years to their detriment.
I still contend that Bony was a panic buy, brought in to see if we could snatch a win against Barca and make a push for the title due to poor squad management by Txiki. He was the in form striker at the time in the league and we wanted him to come in and hit the ground running which he didn't do.
Regardless of when he has good games and bad games, which tends to move opinions on here more than a pissed up swarm of seagulls, my problem with him isn't that he plays bad, it's that as a footballer I don't think he has the required technical or mental ability to sit at the top table where we dine from. I think the idea that he could potentially knock a fit Aguero out of the team is quite honestly hilarious, and if he isn't providing competition to Aguero then there's no point in been here. I don't care if he's Kelechi's long lost Dad, we don't pay him a hundred grand a week to babysit people but to win us games.
Come January presuming our recent spending policies remain the same then he'll be relegated to third choice or perhaps if Kelechi steps up then fourth choice. We'll buy a striker in Jan no matter what, and I think that will be the end of Bony's run as a legit first team player.
My old man used to tell me to be suspicious of opinions that everybody says but nobody can explain why they think that or point to examples of it. I take the piss using the "great hold up play by Bony there" because it's a meaningless cliche where 99% of the time when people use it that are trying to justify an opinion held because they WANT him to be good rather than thinking he's good. A strange type of football fan pseudo-management speech that sounds intelligent and tricks you for a second until you think about it and then makes no sense at all. Wouldn't be surprised to learn that Bony provides a great synergy to the team with his effervescent qualities and ephemeral or fugacious transitional play from his fans.
The fact that he then smacks the ball wide or gives it away doesn't fit that narrative. But he wears a blue shirt and is good on Football Manager so to some of our posters this means that he's actually a great player who has hundreds of excuses in front of him about why he isn't showing that. Listen I'm Txiki's biggest fan but sometimes we buy a dud and at the standard of his competition for the top spot then Bony is a dud.
If Bony was 19 then I'd think we had a great talent on our hands because he's a player with all the attributes but not specifically great yet; somebody who needs some polishing and working on like a Sterling who has everything potentially but little right now. Sterling and Bony are both players who are on the edge. Unfortunately one of them is 20 and the other is 26, now considered in the prime of his career rather than his development phase.
I don't think he's a very good football player; at least not to the standard that it takes to be one of the main strikers at a club like City. Like Dzeko, he reminds me of a handyman.
If your entire fuse box blows up do you call a handyman? No, you ring a spark.
If your entire external wall falls down do you call a handyman? No, you ring a bricklayer.
A handyman is a person who you employ when either you don't want to or don't have the opportunity to get in a truly skilled worker, and instead just want a small job doing to average to decent standards. Sergio Aguero is a joiner because he's specifically useful for a task and performs that task with incredible precision and talent. In fact out of all the joiners around he's one of the best in the world so you pay his rates knowing what you're getting.
Bony is the football equivalent of a handyman. He isn't actually great at anything and is passable at most things. These sort of players are fine as your third and fourth choice players who can beef out the squad, they are absolutely not players who you put the responsibility of being a main starter to.
One of my major frustrations about FFP is that is inherently was illogical. Money is shown to have a huge amount to do with success, and FFP restricts the amount of money you can spend based on where you are in the table in a simplified light. UEFA tried to tell people that in a straight race, you can beat people by running slower than them - you can compete with major clubs by spending less. This to me was both brazen and irritating.
I've always carried the "compete with your competition" mantra into signings as well. We want to compete with Barca, Bayern, and Real Madrid who represent the very top level of squads at the moment. One of the things that we should look at in our team is asking the question "will our first team starters even get in their team?". If the answer is no then they aren't good enough for us because like in FFP, you can't beat people in a race by running slower than them. When we start getting into the third and fourth choices then it becomes less important but we should have 15 players who would compete to get into the those teams.
Would Bony on his own talent, regardless of his form, get in front of Messi, Neymar or Suarez?
What about Ronaldo or Benzema?
Lewandowski or Muller?
Put those 8 names together and Bony is almost certainly the odd one out in terms of talent. Aguero fits it like a glove.
I don't know why City always do this; they buy a second striker who is obviously nowhere near as talented as Aguero then sell them a couple of years later for less. Bony is better than Jovetic but to fair Eddie Large would have been a more effective player for us than Jovetic. He's probably on par with Dzeko in specific terms of talent though Bony wins some fights and Dzeko others. Same with Negredo. Balo could have been the best of the lots but threw it away. The less said about the others the better.
The fact is that City haven't had two quality strikers since the title winning season where both Tevez and Aguero were in the squad. Ever since then it's £30m on average rather than £50m on quality - a road Arsenal metaphorically traveled down for years and years to their detriment.
I still contend that Bony was a panic buy, brought in to see if we could snatch a win against Barca and make a push for the title due to poor squad management by Txiki. He was the in form striker at the time in the league and we wanted him to come in and hit the ground running which he didn't do.
Regardless of when he has good games and bad games, which tends to move opinions on here more than a pissed up swarm of seagulls, my problem with him isn't that he plays bad, it's that as a footballer I don't think he has the required technical or mental ability to sit at the top table where we dine from. I think the idea that he could potentially knock a fit Aguero out of the team is quite honestly hilarious, and if he isn't providing competition to Aguero then there's no point in been here. I don't care if he's Kelechi's long lost Dad, we don't pay him a hundred grand a week to babysit people but to win us games.
Come January presuming our recent spending policies remain the same then he'll be relegated to third choice or perhaps if Kelechi steps up then fourth choice. We'll buy a striker in Jan no matter what, and I think that will be the end of Bony's run as a legit first team player.
My old man used to tell me to be suspicious of opinions that everybody says but nobody can explain why they think that or point to examples of it. I take the piss using the "great hold up play by Bony there" because it's a meaningless cliche where 99% of the time when people use it that are trying to justify an opinion held because they WANT him to be good rather than thinking he's good. A strange type of football fan pseudo-management speech that sounds intelligent and tricks you for a second until you think about it and then makes no sense at all. Wouldn't be surprised to learn that Bony provides a great synergy to the team with his effervescent qualities and ephemeral or fugacious transitional play from his fans.
The fact that he then smacks the ball wide or gives it away doesn't fit that narrative. But he wears a blue shirt and is good on Football Manager so to some of our posters this means that he's actually a great player who has hundreds of excuses in front of him about why he isn't showing that. Listen I'm Txiki's biggest fan but sometimes we buy a dud and at the standard of his competition for the top spot then Bony is a dud.
If Bony was 19 then I'd think we had a great talent on our hands because he's a player with all the attributes but not specifically great yet; somebody who needs some polishing and working on like a Sterling who has everything potentially but little right now. Sterling and Bony are both players who are on the edge. Unfortunately one of them is 20 and the other is 26, now considered in the prime of his career rather than his development phase.
I have a very specific problem with him that judging by this thread very few people have really think about.
I don't think he's a very good football player; at least not to the standard that it takes to be one of the main strikers at a club like City. Like Dzeko, he reminds me of a handyman.
If your entire fuse box blows up do you call a handyman? No, you ring a spark.
If your entire external wall falls down do you call a handyman? No, you ring a bricklayer.
A handyman is a person who you employ when either you don't want to or don't have the opportunity to get in a truly skilled worker, and instead just want a small job doing to average to decent standards. Sergio Aguero is a joiner because he's specifically useful for a task and performs that task with incredible precision and talent. In fact out of all the joiners around he's one of the best in the world so you pay his rates knowing what you're getting.
Bony is the football equivalent of a handyman. He isn't actually great at anything and is passable at most things. These sort of players are fine as your third and fourth choice players who can beef out the squad, they are absolutely not players who you put the responsibility of being a main starter to.
One of my major frustrations about FFP is that is inherently was illogical. Money is shown to have a huge amount to do with success, and FFP restricts the amount of money you can spend based on where you are in the table in a simplified light. UEFA tried to tell people that in a straight race, you can beat people by running slower than them - you can compete with major clubs by spending less. This to me was both brazen and irritating.
I've always carried the "compete with your competition" mantra into signings as well. We want to compete with Barca, Bayern, and Real Madrid who represent the very top level of squads at the moment. One of the things that we should look at in our team is asking the question "will our first team starters even get in their team?". If the answer is no then they aren't good enough for us because like in FFP, you can't beat people in a race by running slower than them. When we start getting into the third and fourth choices then it becomes less important but we should have 15 players who would compete to get into the those teams.
Would Bony on his own talent, regardless of his form, get in front of Messi, Neymar or Suarez?
What about Ronaldo or Benzema?
Lewandowski or Muller?
Put those 8 names together and Bony is almost certainly the odd one out in terms of talent. Aguero fits it like a glove.
I don't know why City always do this; they buy a second striker who is obviously nowhere near as talented as Aguero then sell them a couple of years later for less. Bony is better than Jovetic but to fair Eddie Large would have been a more effective player for us than Jovetic. He's probably on par with Dzeko in specific terms of talent though Bony wins some fights and Dzeko others. Same with Negredo. Balo could have been the best of the lots but threw it away. The less said about the others the better.
The fact is that City haven't had two quality strikers since the title winning season where both Tevez and Aguero were in the squad. Ever since then it's £30m on average rather than £50m on quality - a road Arsenal metaphorically traveled down for years and years to their detriment.
I still contend that Bony was a panic buy, brought in to see if we could snatch a win against Barca and make a push for the title due to poor squad management by Txiki. He was the in form striker at the time in the league and we wanted him to come in and hit the ground running which he didn't do.
Regardless of when he has good games and bad games, which tends to move opinions on here more than a pissed up swarm of seagulls, my problem with him isn't that he plays bad, it's that as a footballer I don't think he has the required technical or mental ability to sit at the top table where we dine from. I think the idea that he could potentially knock a fit Aguero out of the team is quite honestly hilarious, and if he isn't providing competition to Aguero then there's no point in been here. I don't care if he's Kelechi's long lost Dad, we don't pay him a hundred grand a week to babysit people but to win us games.
Come January presuming our recent spending policies remain the same then he'll be relegated to third choice or perhaps if Kelechi steps up then fourth choice. We'll buy a striker in Jan no matter what, and I think that will be the end of Bony's run as a legit first team player.
My old man used to tell me to be suspicious of opinions that everybody says but nobody can explain why they think that or point to examples of it. I take the piss using the "great hold up play by Bony there" because it's a meaningless cliche where 99% of the time when people use it that are trying to justify an opinion held because they WANT him to be good rather than thinking he's good. A strange type of football fan pseudo-management speech that sounds intelligent and tricks you for a second until you think about it and then makes no sense at all. Wouldn't be surprised to learn that Bony provides a great synergy to the team with his effervescent qualities and ephemeral or fugacious transitional play from his fans.
The fact that he then smacks the ball wide or gives it away doesn't fit that narrative. But he wears a blue shirt and is good on Football Manager so to some of our posters this means that he's actually a great player who has hundreds of excuses in front of him about why he isn't showing that. Listen I'm Txiki's biggest fan but sometimes we buy a dud and at the standard of his competition for the top spot then Bony is a dud.
If Bony was 19 then I'd think we had a great talent on our hands because he's a player with all the attributes but not specifically great yet; somebody who needs some polishing and working on like a Sterling who has everything potentially but little right now. Sterling and Bony are both players who are on the edge. Unfortunately one of them is 20 and the other is 26, now considered in the prime of his career rather than his development phase.
Did you ever consider that he may have been brought in as an alternative to Aguero rather than direct competition? Or that he may have been brought in with a view to complimenting Aguero rather than being direct competition?
I don't believe he was a panic buy, I believe selling Negredo was a panic sale because the FFP sanctions were hanging over us. It was then decided that we needed someone in the squad that brings the attributes that Negredo bought and so Bony was targeted.
Did you ever consider that he may have been brought in as an alternative to Aguero rather than direct competition? Or that he may have been brought in with a view to complimenting Aguero rather than being direct competition?
We play a one striker system most of the time now. Even though we have strikers with different attributes, suggesting that aren't in competition is a bit daft. Only one of them gets to play and the one who does will be the one who is more talented and plays better. That will never be Bony in front of Aguero.
We play a one striker system most of the time now. Even though we have strikers with different attributes, suggesting that aren't in competition is a bit daft. Only one of them gets to play and the one who does will be the one who is more talented and plays better. That will never be Bony in front of Aguero.
Completely ignoring my point.
Completely ignoring my point.
Because you haven't made a point worth responding to.
"Well they're different players" has absolutely no bearing on the point that Bony isn't good enough to play for us no matter what specific job he's given to do.
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