Police Wage reductions, hear me out

[Wilmslow Road]

You obviously don't look close enough at the amount of Police.
Flaspoint matches against the big teams, yes.
Take Fulham.
The police know via the club how many tickets have been sold to Fulham fans.
About 300 was it not.
Lokk at the police presence then for that match, dog's, horses Tag Squad.
Even if Fulham had beat us 5-0 there would have been no outburst from the
City Fans against fulham.
We would probably have clapped them off.
They have to justify their presence with arrrests.
I have seen quite a bit of football violence over the years caused by fans.
But I have also seen a great many incidents caused and provoked by the Police
and seen a lot of innocent people arrested.
Have you even witnesseda Police dog handler in action with a crowd, believe me these guy's are out of control.

 

[Blue Smarties]

Oh Poor you.
What about the lads in Afghanistan getting killed and maimed.
Their families live in shit houses.
Come back with no leg's and get given 50K.

You have been fleecing the country with overtime for years.
Look at the the amount of police at Eastlands, compleat overkill for
most of the matches.

I could fill a book on you lot.

Do me a favour.

Alot of these lads,who are lucky enough to return unharmed,go on to join the Police.

The Police categorize matches accordingingly based opon previous fixtures,recent intelligence etc. The amount of officers allocated is appropriate to such.What you may call overkill is needed to ensure that the general public remains as safe as can be expected.Or would you sooner run the risk that there is not enough cover should disorder break out?

-- Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:57 am --

I'm an angry person? I don't see how you can presume I'm an angry person going off my Bluemoon persona considering most of my posts are silly little jokes but alright then. I just don't like the police, from a very early age at Swindon away when a policeman tried intimidating me (about four), my dad (Warrant Officer in the army) and his friend (high up in the police force) only to be told by my dads friend he'll see him in his office on Monday morning I've always seen the majority of the police force as egotistical tossers.

As for choosing a profession where you can change society what do you suggest?

Use your imagination,you appear to have a very good one.

Out of curiosity,what does your dad think about your anti establishment activities?

Why don't you tell me of a job? You're the one who recommended I change?
He doesn't view the police too favourably but that's not for me to talk about as it's not me. From what I remember he tried indicating that he didn't like my view that direct action is what is needed but acknowledges it's my decision on what I get up to. Also the protests are never an anti-police protest, they're simply an irritating add-on which come with it.

I'm an angry person? I don't see how you can presume I'm an angry person going off my Bluemoon persona considering most of my posts are silly little jokes but alright then. I just don't like the police, from a very early age at Swindon away when a policeman tried intimidating me (about four), my dad (Warrant Officer in the army) and his friend (high up in the police force) only to be told by my dads friend he'll see him in his office on Monday morning I've always seen the majority of the police force as egotistical tossers.

As for choosing a profession where you can change society what do you suggest?

wow you allow one incident to form your judgement of the police.......it's a good job I dont form my opinion on all students from the chap pissing over the war memorial!

Considering I said from an early age that would symbolise that was the earliest I remember and I've had plenty more since? Surely an intelligent being like yourself can recognise that?

 

[Cheesy]

I just don't like the police, from a very early age at Swindon away when a policeman tried intimidating me (about four), my dad (Warrant Officer in the army) and his friend (high up in the police force) only to be told by my dads friend he'll see him in his office on Monday morning.

Have you made this up like you did about the woman being battered and drenched in blood at the last student demo?

 

[Blue Smarties]

[quote="Blue SmartiesI just don't like the police, from a very early age at Swindon away when a policeman tried intimidating me (about four), my dad (Warrant Officer in the army) and his friend (high up in the police force) only to be told by my dads friend he'll see him in his office on Monday morning.

Have you made this up like you did about the woman being battered and drenched in blood at the last student demo?[/quote]
You can PM him if you wish to see if it happened, he's not been active for time though.

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[Carstairs]

Oh and by the way, I ve been stabbed twice, battered countless times and been shit at twice too! That's life I wasn't paid well for it!

Hardies!

That trumps getting wee'd on ;)

 

[Ancient Citizen]

I read your post with interest and whilst I would take some of the more extreme reactions with a large pinch of salt if I were you, some issues about the police do get to people. First of all you, in common with all other public servants, have to take your share of the cuts and sacrifices that those of us who pay your wages have to endure whether we like it or not. I have admiration for what you do and clearly you have had some traumatic experiences but I don't think much sympathy will be forthcoming as regards pay and conditions in the police.
Very few people indeed get the opprtunity to jack in work at 50 with an extremely generous pension that can only be dreamed about by the rest of us, some of whom have been paying in for 50 years. Overtime boosts what is a very good salary into a very handsome one and you also have unbelievably generous and considerate employers if you have to take time off for whatever reason and whatever your job entails it is, in general, far less dangerous than a squaddie in Afghanistan who gets considerably less.
A question that nobody seems to have answered to my satisfaction is this:-
What do the coppers who used to walk the beat at various times in towns and vllages now do? It is now very rare, (apart from large cities) to see police in any capacity anywhere at all. Policing acts as a deterrent because of visuality but this has now gone completely. We are constantly being told we need more police but where are the ones that we already have? They are even rare on highways so I can only presume that they all sit in stations all day and night; my own street has a cop shop up the road full of coppers but nobody is allowed to visit it and any calls are directed to a centre 20 miles away. This is fucking ludicrous and negates any so called community benefit.
You may have a rational explanation to this and if so, please enlighten.

 

[kinkysleftfoot]

Alot of these lads,who are lucky enough to return unharmed,go on to join the Police.

The Police categorize matches accordingingly based opon previous fixtures,recent intelligence etc. The amount of officers allocated is appropriate to such.What you may call overkill is needed to ensure that the general public remains as safe as can be expected.Or would you sooner run the risk that there is not enough cover should disorder break out?

-- Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:57 am --



Use your imagination,you appear to have a very good one.

Out of curiosity,what does your dad think about your anti establishment activities?

Why don't you tell me of a job? You're the one who recommended I change?
He doesn't view the police too favourably but that's not for me to talk about as it's not me. From what I remember he tried indicating that he didn't like my view that direct action is what is needed but acknowledges it's my decision on what I get up to. Also the protests are never an anti-police protest, they're simply an irritating add-on which come with it.

wow you allow one incident to form your judgement of the police.......it's a good job I dont form my opinion on all students from the chap pissing over the war memorial!

Considering I said from an early age that would symbolise that was the earliest I remember and I've had plenty more since? Surely an intelligent being like yourself can recognise that?

I question why you seem to be like a magnet to the police?.......having so many incidents to remember!

 

[daveduke67]

That is one of the most thoughtful and well considered posts I've ever seen on here. I am genuinely humbled by your powerful use of language. Truly thought provoking.

Aww thanks, want some more? I'll PM you if you want? Got a nice collection.

Can't wait.

Once you leave university and join the rest of us the grown up world you might have a more balanced view on life and the people that are in it.

Until then you keep posting pictures like if it makes you feel better. How many people were battered by Police medics last night? Or last Sunday or the game before that or the one before ............ you get my point?

The Police can't be seen to being 'nice' in certain circumstances - there'd be people who'd see it as a weakness and become even more of a threat/problem. Ask your Dad about crowd control and how he dealt with crowds in the Army - I'm sure there were a few whacks dished out to show the rest of the mob who were boss. It has to be done - simple as that.

If you don't want to be made an example of by a copper with a riot stick who's being spat on, sworn at and could be on the end of a beating (or worse) should he get dragged into the crowd, a guy who's scared, worried the next thing that hits him could be a petrol bomb and has got adrenalin pumping through his system and may well do things he wouldn't normally do to people, then don't go to the front. If you go to the front of a mass protest you know the risks.


You'll find that there are wrong 'uns in every walk of life - Police, Army, Asda cashiers, binmen. Rarely do people report good experiences though.

I've had some bad dealings with the Police too, being assaulted by four Asians and me being the only one arrested despite being the one who was simply walking down the street minding his own business pushing a pram. I've waited three days for someone to come round following a robbery, I've reported a robbery in progress and had someone turn up eleven hours later asking me for details. I've been pushed and pulled around by the Police in football crowds many times despite never doing anything wrong - it's just one of those things.

It's obvious you have a problem with the Police - what do you suggest we replace them with?

What happened to students just being lazy, smelly, doped up pissheads who couldn't be arsed getting out of bed to protest? There seems to be a real resentment against the people who are paying for their future and the ones generally protecting them.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

OK I joined the Police in 1991, in the last 21 years I have been shot at, had guns pulled on me, someone tried to stab me, I've been hit over the head with a pool cue, baseball bat and been attacked with a samurai sword, following one assault i was urinated on whilst unconscious.

Bloody hell - your colleagues sound like a rough lot. I'd request a move to another division.

 

[masterwig]

They can save money simply by not massively over-policing events. There have been a vastly disproportionate number of officers at our last two midweek games. Costs a lot of money.