I think our countryside is absolutely stunning.Our countryside is green, but that doesn’t mean it’s beautiful. Most (70% in England) of our countryside is controlled farmland, not wild unspoilt rolling fields and forests. We have a pitiful amount of forested and other wild areas compared to other countries. Farming took away our beautiful countryside centuries ago.
I don’t care who owns the countryside, the environment should be taken care of and wildlife should have somewhere to live. We should be planting trees on this land, not digging it up and whacking concrete on it.
Not sure where you’ve got 32% from, the Guardian says it’s 1.2% in England.
I don’t care what’s happened in the past, I care about the future and how it affects my life in the here and now.
It really isn’t a lazy argument nor is it a trope, these are real people’s lives, that cannot get places at schools, roads congested, trains overran with commuters, doctors waiting lists, noise pollution, light pollution, general pollution, housing crisis.
You can argue the government has failed in these areas but chucking more of the taxpayers money at these issues, whilst contributing to it by having half a million added to the population nearly every year, is lunacy.
We still need immigrants to keep the economy going, there are skills gaps and at no point would I entertain the imbeciles on the fringe right that say we need it down to near zero. But let’s bring it down to stop infrastructure strain and let’s keep it to specific people we need, without discriminating on the grounds of where they come from.
In this Brexit mess, the immigration policy they’ve put together is just about the best thing they’ve done, in a sea of shit.
I never said everyone would come to the UK, enough people would though to cause chaos and it’s naive to think otherwise.There appears to be a conceit that everyone would flock to the UK. They wouldn’t. Your imagination can only see chaos, but that is just a failure of imagination, just as @Prestwich_Blue could only see failure in European countries coming together, or having a common currency, the failure is the inability to see it working and placing no value on it working, which is why Brexiteers like PB place no value in their right to freedom of movement or in schemes like Erasmus.
We have freedom of movement in our own Union. There is FoM in Europe, between Australia and NZ. There is the African AfCFTA with the aim of creating a Single Market with FoM. You start with blocs, neighbouring countries coming together, eradicating barriers with immigration rules applying to countries outside the bloc or with other blocs.
The next step would be formalising between blocs and so on, but Migration is often local or based on similar cultural values, language etc, South American players preferring Spain as a destination for example, familiarity of culture, language and so on.
Indeed.All the more reason to protect what we have left.
“Far Right Conservative Nationalistic” doesn’t make any sense.Its only 'bubbling ' in countries with far right Conservative Nationalistic governments tho isn't it? (notice a trend there).
I admire Bobs courage in asking the question of ''Whats your longer term strategic view of our relationship with the Eu' because where we are right now is that 50% of the UK are very unhappy about being out and there are already ''Rejoin'' groups popping up on social media platforms, some of them are quite vociferous.
Probably a similar amount also believe that our current state is built on shifting sands.... those sands being the Lies of the leave campaigners, the involvement of Cambridge Analytica, Banks , Farage et al and their Russian funding, .... the discontent will become more vocal when the promises made are broken (they are already) , the sunny uplands don't appear and the Union fragments.
Every little inconvenience , Everything that goes wrong from now on in will be placed at the door of Brexit and those that facilitated it.
The Tories will be too busy trying to sandbag the floodwaters to actually achieve anything other than maintain the status quo (all they do anyway) and line their own pockets.
As I’ve said, I’m not blaming immigrants themselves, I would move to the UK if I was from a poorer part of the world, it’s not their fault and I treat immigrants with welcoming respect.1.2% well 1.4% is owned by the royal estate 30% is private pand owned by traditional aristocray
So 32% as I stated.
Again the laziness of the arguement over schools and infrustructure, is not the fault on those coming here working hard and paying their taxes as citizens, it is the fault of gevernment not investing and building more schools, hpuses, hospitals etc to manage the needs of the population we have.
And nice that you turned your original comment about US losing out on our countryside to you now being concerned abput the fluffy bunnys qnd grose on private land that get shot for sport anyway..
I never said fell the forests, fill in the lochs and lakes and build on the penines, I said there are landed estates going to waste which if build on would not effect the countryside or enviroment
A great example would be the beckhams 1500 arcw cotsworld estate, which is mainly a grass garden, you could flatten that fucker and build a modern housing estate on it, and piss him off in the process.
Bingo“Far Right Conservative Nationalistic” doesn’t make any sense.
They're all completely different political ideologies.
Far Right assumes Facism which has nothing to do with Conservatism as much as Liberalism has nothing to do with Communism. Nationalistic can be both far right and far left.
You misunderstand my position. I'm not a little Englander Brexiteer. If there had been an option on the referendum ballot paper to leave the EU but remain in the single market, that's what I'd have happily voted for. I'm also not in favour of closing our borders completely. Had we done that a century or so ago, my mother might well have been shot or gassed by the Nazis in Eastern Europe as a young child. So I believe we should be generous in taking in genuine refugees.There appears to be a conceit that everyone would flock to the UK. They wouldn’t. Your imagination can only see chaos, but that is just a failure of imagination, just as @Prestwich_Blue could only see failure in European countries coming together, or having a common currency, the failure is the inability to see it working and placing no value on it working, which is why Brexiteers like PB place no value in their right to freedom of movement or in schemes like Erasmus.
We have freedom of movement in our own Union. There is FoM in Europe, between Australia and NZ. There is the African AfCFTA with the aim of creating a Single Market with FoM. You start with blocs, neighbouring countries coming together, eradicating barriers with immigration rules applying to countries outside the bloc or with other blocs.
The next step would be formalising between blocs and so on, but Migration is often local or based on similar cultural values, language etc, South American players preferring Spain as a destination for example, familiarity of culture, language and so on.
“Far Right Conservative Nationalistic” doesn’t make any sense.
They're all completely different political ideologies.
Far Right assumes Facism which has nothing to do with Conservatism as much as Liberalism has nothing to do with Communism. Nationalistic can be both far right and far left.