Political relations between UK-EU

[west didsblue]

The coffee shop was a purposely over exaggerated example.

The thread really hasn’t progressed from last year where everything is just hyperbole, when in reality society has barely been impacted.

How do you know society hasn’t been impacted? We’re all in lockdown.

 

[journolud]

The coffee shop was a purposely over exaggerated example.

The thread really hasn’t progressed from last year where everything is just hyperbole, when in reality society has barely been impacted.

It really isn’t hyperbole when entire industries are threatened just because you don’t feel the impact in Stockport. Thankfully we were also able to get a fish from our local chippy this evening as well.

Hard to say society hasn’t been affected by Brexit but fair to say, and the point has been made on several occasions that Society is somewhat distracted by even weightier matters right now

 

[Ban-jani]

How do you know society hasn’t been impacted? We’re all in lockdown.

The economy hasn’t really got even worse on top of Covid, predictions are ok, there haven’t been further mass job losses as a direct result of leaving. We notice economic impacts at work before most industries, especially with our clients and their cost cuttings and since New Year the job market has actually improved (this is more of a companies-getting-used-to-lockdown reason than anything btw).

Regarding social aspects, nobody is talking about it other than this thread and corners of Twitter freaks. BLM has had more of a cultural impact in the last 12 months.

It’s all a bit meh after 5 years of this shite.

 

[journolud]

This describes quite a few on here based on the way they post

I have been criticised before for referring to some of them as a 'pack' - but pack behaviour is absolutely what they display

@Ban-jani was one of the most committed (and argumentative) Remainers on here between 2016-2020 - but had a characteristic only seen in a couple or Remainers......

He was able to take stock and move on and look to the best interests of the UK.

He has been able to debate and challenge posters from both sides of the argument

Importantly, he has not become paralysed in the past - still obsessing about the campaign or spending his days desperately searching for anything - anything at all, no matter how desperate, that can be presented to an echo chamber as a reason to salivate

But I observe that he now attracts the attention of the pack - individuals simply unable to suffer anyone to 'move on'

Pretty fucking sad - IMO

I really don’t think anyone is obsessing about the campaign and neither is a search for negatives desperate because you simply have to open a newspaper or turn on the TV and they are reported.

To your, sort of, credit you have consistently pushed the line that the Brexit dividend will be in years to come and we’ll all sit and wait for that. @Mëtal Bikër was also consistent in his reasons for advocating leave which was without regards to the economic outcomes.

There are few other leavers saying anything of substance in presenting the current benefits of Brexit but hey, they have a good line in spam jokes...

 

[bluethrunthru]

It really isn’t hyperbole when entire industries are threatened just because you don’t feel the impact in Stockport. Thankfully we were also able to get a fish from our local chippy this evening as well.

Hard to say society hasn’t been affected by Brexit but fair to say, and the point has been made on several occasions that Society is somewhat distracted by even weightier matters right now

entire industries? Like this? Remember fishing? It used to be an activity that was so precious so totemic what...a mere 28 days ago?

Time running out! Fishing fury at Norway exclusion

BRITISH fishermen reliant on waters off the coasts of Norway, Greenland and the Faroe Islands are hanging by a thread because no deals have yet been agreed on a future arrangement with the European Free Trade Association (EFTA) member.

www.express.co.uk

Fishing industry could be 'destroyed' without customs changes, MPs warn

The London Economic - MPs said seafood companies are “going out of business” with their produce “sitting in lorry parks" - Politics

www.thelondoneconomic.com

 

[bluethrunthru]

I really don’t think anyone is obsessing about the campaign and neither is a search for negatives desperate because you simply have to open a newspaper or turn on the TV and they are reported.

To your, sort of, credit you have consistently pushed the line that the Brexit dividend will be in years to come and we’ll all sit and wait for that. @Mëtal Bikër was also consistent in his reasons for advocating leave which was without regards to the economic outcomes.

There are few other leavers saying anything of substance in presenting the current benefits of Brexit but hey, they have a good line in spam jokes...

whatever happened to MB?

 

[Ban-jani]

It really isn’t hyperbole when entire industries are threatened just because you don’t feel the impact in Stockport. Thankfully we were also able to get a fish from our local chippy this evening as well.

Hard to say society hasn’t been affected by Brexit but fair to say, and the point has been made on several occasions that Society is somewhat distracted by even weightier matters right now

I don’t think entire industries are threatened, I think some small ones have taken a bit but it’s far better than what I feared.

It doesn’t really matter where I live, big companies and clients tend to be national wide and it’s all virtual these days.

The last point is true but I was expecting another significant hit, on top of Covid and it’s not really happened, as I keep saying, it’s a bit meh.

 

[mcfc1632]

It’s highly unlikely the contract will stipulate such to permit that, they could argue they are entitled to. It would also be a strange contract where the delivery schedule is entirely binding with no best endeavour clause.

Irrespective, contract disputes should be resolved in a court of law not by arbitrary action of one party to the contact particularly when that action is against a 3rd party simply on the grounds that they also have a contract with same. AZ could of course avoid court by offering to settle and rip the contract up delivering exactly 0 vaccines. Now that wouldn’t be unethical of course because it is contract law right?

That the UK may send the vaccine to Germany for placement into vials and that the EU threaten to withhold that would do huge damage to the EUs reputation as a safe place to do business.... what was it they said when the UK passed a rightful law allowing for it to change part of the WA?

Of course tensions are high because the EU is behind the curve here and probably getting asked questions about that. Best form of defence is attack and all that but rather than having the CEO of AZ spend energy fighting off the media and trade barbs with the EU surely the more prudent action would be to just let him get on with fixing the issues that are causing their delays. Every country has experienced delays between promised doses and available ones, they undoubtedly didn’t like it but they just got on with it - there is a lesson there for the EU.

And - whilst I might be wrong (but really doubt I will be) we will find out that the Contract Ts&Cs do not remotely provide any justification for the EU's threatened actions (I have been tied up today so may be out of touch with developments)

What AZ suggest is the situation reflects 'standard' provisions - I really do not believe that the EU have negotiated something 'special' - how would that have worked really?

 

[Ban-jani]

whatever happened to MB?

He was posting today.

 

[Tb1981]

He was posting today.

He is now a postman?
Fair play, better than wasting time on here!