Political relations between UK-EU

[bluethrunthru]

lobster to the EU or just moving cheese around our own country - Brexit just kills business and costs jobs

Brexit: Cheese wholesaler 'gives up on Ireland'

The firm warns it will have to make redundancies because of checks on goods crossing the Irish Sea.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Rascal]

That wont happen, simply because we have elections. People have a vote and exercise it in this country. I think its pretty clear that British electorate wont allow our welfare state and NHS to be wound down, any party that advocates that just wont get elected. To have a welfare state you need taxes and taxes will evolve like they always have done to ensure they 'capture' enough revenue.

Cant believe I wasted time reading something by Campbell as I cant stand the man, he led the way for the likes of Cummings.

The sooner he disappears off the scene the better rather than stealing a living hanging onto everyone else's coat tails.

The aim is to make democracy redundant at worst or irrelevant at best.

It is meaningless to the sovereign individual as they are not constrained by nation states, they exist outside national jurisdiction which is the whole point of the article. They become untaxable, therefore the state shrinks automatically as it is deprived of revenue. When the state shrinks, the services the state provides wither on the vine. It is extreme libertarianism, the likes of which i have never read before.

If you do not read people you can not stand, you exist in a singularity of thought. We should all be open to the possibility we are wrong, we do not have to accept we are wrong, but reading other trains of thought can also reinforce you long held belief. I am sorry you feel you wasted your time.

Maybe this will help

Baker Street Herald – London W3CU

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

The aim is to make democracy redundant at worst or irrelevant at best.

It is meaningless to the sovereign individual as they are not constrained by nation states, they exist outside national jurisdiction which is the whole point of the article. They become untaxable, therefore the state shrinks automatically as it is deprived of revenue. When the state shrinks, the services the state provides wither on the vine. It is extreme libertarianism, the likes of which i have never read before.

If you do not read people you can not stand, you exist in a singularity of thought. We should all be open to the possibility we are wrong, we do not have to accept we are wrong, but reading other trains of thought can also reinforce you long held belief. I am sorry you feel you wasted your time.

Maybe this will help

Baker Street Herald – London W3CU

Rascal,

For clarification:
I do not find your posts a waste of time, I enjoy reading them, we do not agree on everything, but you clearly know a lot about the subjects you post about and you have a very good understanding of the things which underpin your beliefs.

With regards to your second point about shrining revenue, As i stated, taxes evolve they always have and will continue to do so to deal with business practices, e commerce will be no different imo.

Cheers

 

[Metal Biker]

Of course it won’t happen.

It’s pure hyperbole and to be honest, if it’s worrying a communist it’s probably a good thing anyway.

Its nothing to do with brexit anyway. Its the "Britain is free from EU political influence, Tories have complete control over UK politics and they're going to turn it into a fascist state" bollocks we've heard and read time and time again.

Said it before and i'll say it again, if we had a Labour Government presiding over brexit, these sorts of 'fears' wouldn't be uttered. Because it has nothing to do with us being a member of the EU or not, its about hating and fearing the Tories.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

The aim is to make democracy redundant at worst or irrelevant at best.

It is meaningless to the sovereign individual as they are not constrained by nation states, they exist outside national jurisdiction which is the whole point of the article. They become untaxable, therefore the state shrinks automatically as it is deprived of revenue. When the state shrinks, the services the state provides wither on the vine. It is extreme libertarianism, the likes of which i have never read before.

If you do not read people you can not stand, you exist in a singularity of thought. We should all be open to the possibility we are wrong, we do not have to accept we are wrong, but reading other trains of thought can also reinforce you long held belief. I am sorry you feel you wasted your time.

Maybe this will help

Baker Street Herald – London W3CU

Libertarianism for the sovereign individuals, authoritarianism for the plebs. They want to turn nation states' tax and legal regimes into something akin to places like Monaco. No general taxation but taxes on their consumption, with state police forces acting as the heavy handed private security of the rich. As always with libertarians it is an extremely cynical and selfish mindset. I don't think I have ever read a libertarian without this hypocrisy at the heart of their belief system. They always want the rules to be disapplied to themselves but deep in the knowledge that to do that would require a stricter regime for others.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Occasionally you read something and you think about it, you read it again to make sure you read it properly and then you think, fuck me, i have quite possibly been as naive as at any time in my life and i am quite possibly as wrong as I have ever been in my life about politics

This is fucking chilling. I know i am capable of extreme hyperbole at times and I am not a huge fan of Alastair Campbell, but I implore you all, read this.

It is about a concept called the Sovereign Individual.

the brexit revolutionaries have barely begun. britain needs to wake up fast | Alastair Campbell

Campbell is always worth listening to. He’s got more intelligence, sense and gravitas than the entire current cabinet put together.

 

[BobKowalski]

A Fisherman In Yorkshire Says He is Closing His 40-Year-Old Business Due To Brexit Red Tape

A decades-old shellfish trader based at a major British port has said that it has been forced to close due to new paperwork brought about by the UK...

www.politicshome.com

Previous utterings haven't aged well though

Why Bridlington is the lobster capital of Europe

Think of Yorkshire's east coast and you might think of seaside resorts like Scarborough, or fishing boats at Whitby. Or maybe wind farms off Spurn Point. What you probably won't think of is lobsters in Bridlington '“ but you should.

www.yorkshirepost.co.uk

Yeah, we do appear to have wiped out the shellfish business overnight. We have written a strong letter to the EU about it apparently.

 

[Ban-jani]

Its nothing to do with brexit anyway. Its the "Britain is free from EU political influence, Tories have complete control over UK politics and they're going to turn it into a fascist state" bollocks we've heard and read time and time again.

Said it before and i'll say it again, if we had a Labour Government presiding over brexit, these sorts of 'fears' wouldn't be uttered. Because it has nothing to do with us being a member of the EU or not, its about hating and fearing the Tories.

Just read these posts, it’s absolutely laughable stuff.

All the trots are out crying about neoliberalism that doesn’t exist and isn’t going to.

The Tories are too scared of losing power to enforce unpopular policies, it’s the one benefit of them being spineless.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Yeah, we do appear to have wiped out the shellfish business overnight. We have written a strong letter to the EU about it apparently.

I still managed a scallop supper on Friday so not quite wiped out.

 

[meltonblue]

Its nothing to do with brexit anyway. Its the "Britain is free from EU political influence, Tories have complete control over UK politics and they're going to turn it into a fascist state" bollocks we've heard and read time and time again.

Said it before and i'll say it again, if we had a Labour Government presiding over brexit, these sorts of 'fears' wouldn't be uttered. Because it has nothing to do with us being a member of the EU or not, its about hating and fearing the Tories.

You’re right, they wouldn’t. I don’t think it is about hating and fearing the tories as such though, it’s more about just trying to understand the underlying motivations behind certain elements and individuals in the party that are now in power.