Political relations between UK-EU

[Ancient Citizen]

We are going to introduce pettifogging rules on imports. Just not yet.

Has the EU broken the deal? We may have misunderstood molluscs (or not got it in writing), but you are openly advocating that the UK tear up a month old deal, and think this will be good for us.

You really do like pain.

No, they have torn up the deal, what on earth have you been watching?
They agreed to continue importing molluscs under the existing system,
then, unilaterally, they then scrap that agreement.
Because they can.
This is what we're talking about, the response to that.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Millions are to be invested in fishing. It's simply your idea, not what is happening. Quotas have been increased immediately, But I suppose with the
kind of logic we see on here that really means catching less.

Nobody is investing in an idle industry - where does the investment money come from? Will a body that provides investment funds for what is not going out to work get them a return? Quotas have been increased but market access closed off !

Pork is in the same position today with no means of export to its biggest market spring lamb will be next - 3rd country status brings complications that were just completely ignored until like stepping on a rake they smack us in the face

 

[Ancient Citizen]

We can do all that overnight and it would destroy every EU fishing fleet?
I'm impressed.

Well, maybe not totally destroyed, they can decide to fish the middle of the South Atlantic, or the North Pacific, or wherever else they like to make up any shortfall.

 

[journolud]

Millions are to be invested in fishing. It's simply your idea, not what is happening. Quotas have been increased immediately, But I suppose with the
kind of logic we see on here that really means catching less.

Is a bail out the same as investment?

 

[Chris in London]

And, as I said earlier, TTIP was rejected by the EU.

My recollection is that the EU withdrew from the TTIP talks as a response to the US withdrawing from the Paris Agreement on climate change. Equally, IIRC, rejoining the paris accord was one of the executive orders Biden signed on his first day.

It will be interesting to see whether the TTIP discussions resume or not. I'd guess not, because the world has moved on and giving US corporations the right to sue for damages because of EU public health initiatives is a fundamentally bad idea. However that's just my guess. For the time being it goes onto the 'time will tell' pile.

EDIT

Having looked it up, I think it was Trump who withdrew from the TTIP talks at first, following which there were further, more limited talks before the EU announced that TTIP would not be resurrected (citing the US departure from the paris accord) in 2019.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

If you want to know what is happening I suggest a trip to Europe's largest fish market in Peterhead, Scotland. It might come as a bit of a surprise.
https://www.scotsman.com/business/b...st-town-due-brexit-says-industry-head-3106056

Do you know why?
Do you believe this will continue?

 

[Chris in London]

Is a bail out the same as investment?

In the context of fishing, surely a bail out is what you do when the ship is sinking

 

[metalblue]

Please don't join the jingoists who spout militarist nonsense. Not when we were talking seriously.

If you just meant our resolve to commit self-harm we've certainly shown how good we are at that. "The English vice" is now policy.

I wasn’t spouting military action mate if that was what you were saying? That would be crazy. I was just merely saying if the EU are kicking us around and acting the school yard bully then they shouldn’t underestimate us. Maybe it’s a little bit of the old empire in me

 

[west didsblue]

Well, maybe not totally destroyed, they can decide to fish the middle of the South Atlantic, or the North Pacific, or wherever else they like to make up any shortfall.

Or the Med, the Baltic, eastern North Sea, western Irish Sea, North Atlantic, Bay of Biscay, southern English Channel. In fact everywhere outside our EEZ.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Is a bail out the same as investment?

They really don't get it. Throw whatever money you like at it if there is no market place nobody is putting to sea where its dangerous to catch something you can't sell. If there is no market for your produce you don't pay to pull it out of the ground you plough it back in and don't bother planting next years crop. Egg demand fell dramatically at the start of the pandemic. What was the answer? Keep collecting laid eggs and stock pile them until they go off? Nope - 100k laying eggs were gassed instead.

The money is a sop to buy time - nothing is fixed nothing will work without a market place into which you sell. If that means only the home market then you adjust the size of the business, the numbers employed and tax paid to fit the new circumstances.