Political relations between UK-EU

journolud said:
Well it certainly seems like the good news hungry press are ejaculating all over this and we know from their coverage of certain football clubs how objective they can be. But wait, look at this party pooper trying to wipe some of the gloss off it;

What’s the truth about the UK’s new trade ‘deal’ with India? | The Independent
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After reading that article its just another example of how all of this is inconsequential to the reality of the UK leaving the EU. This is a media stance war, a war between two sides, one of which wholly backed remaining in the EU and must now be seen to discredit any news connected to brexit and the other which praises anything to justify the decision. Its more that they have an issue with the other side promoting or demeaning brexit rather than discuss the reality and facts of the situation as neither is prepared to move on from insulting the other sides stance. "You think this is a good thing and that it's down to brexit? Here's why it's NOT!" "You still think brexit was a bad decision? Well get prepared to be proved WRONG!"

Its nonsense, it helps nobody and doesn't reflect the reality of the situation. Is a £100bn trade deal with India good news? Yes. Does it "justify brexit" as is being argued here? It has no bearing on it whatsoever. People like Ben Chu (who after reading his other articles can be described quite accurately as a remoaner in every sense of the word) and others like him who feel the need to pour scourn over every trade agreement going forward need to realise that your argument is over.

The UK is no longer a member of the EU, that is the only 'reality' that needs addressing. A £100bn trade agreement with India neither condemns or justifies brexit. If you have an issue with the good news hungry press promoting such news stories, surely you must also have an issue with the bad news hungry press, spinning the same news stories into a negative slant. Other example;

Pre-brexit: Leave media - "What about the fish?" Remain - "Who gives a fuck about fish?"

Post-brexit: Remain media - "What about the fish?" Leave - "Who gives a fuck about fish?"

And on and on it goes. Its getting boring, guys, reading every article that has a obvious bias attached. Lets start promoting articles that discusses the situation and is informative without trying to force an opinion on it, yeah?
 
Ancient Citizen said:
So, they're still playing silly buggers are they?
Gonna get tasty now.
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Probably. Brexit allows both sides to bugger each other, albeit one side has much more to bugger the other side with.

None of this helps anyone, but when countries decide to raise trade barriers it creates conflict and this is the inevitable result. Shellfish is just a foretaste of things to come.

Still, it’s nice to see that you are beginning to appreciate where the folly of Brexit leads. Instead of trade zipping back and forth with hardly a care in the world, we now have endless form filling, reduced trade, pointless regulations, an internal customs border and everyone playing silly buggers.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
After reading that article its just another example of how all of this is inconsequential to the reality of the UK leaving the EU. This is a media stance war, a war between two sides, one of which wholly backed remaining in the EU and must now be seen to discredit any news connected to brexit and the other which praises anything to justify the decision. Its more that they have an issue with the other side promoting or demeaning brexit rather than discuss the reality and facts of the situation as neither is prepared to move on from insulting the other sides stance. "You think this is a good thing and that it's down to brexit? Here's why it's NOT!" "You still think brexit was a bad decision? Well get prepared to be proved WRONG!"

Its nonsense, it helps nobody and doesn't reflect the reality of the situation. Is a £100bn trade deal with India good news? Yes. Does it "justify brexit" as is being argued here? It has no bearing on it whatsoever. People like Ben Chu (who after reading his other articles can be described quite accurately as a remoaner in every sense of the word) and others like him who feel the need to pour scourn over every trade agreement going forward need to realise that your argument is over.

The UK is no longer a member of the EU, that is the only 'reality' that needs addressing. A £100bn trade agreement with India neither condemns or justifies brexit. If you have an issue with the good news hungry press promoting such news stories, surely you must also have an issue with the bad news hungry press, spinning the same news stories into a negative slant. Other example;

Pre-brexit: Leave media - "What about the fish?" Remain - "Who gives a fuck about fish?"

Post-brexit: Remain media - "What about the fish?" Leave - "Who gives a fuck about fish?"

And on and on it goes. Its getting boring, guys, reading every article that has a obvious bias attached. Lets start promoting articles that discusses the situation and is informative without trying to force an opinion on it, yeah?
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It’s a fair point but I really wonder where the truly objective and informative articles are. We all start with a bias. The press reflects the tone of this thread, or vice versa. There is a tendency to veer towards articles that confirm that bias but a lot of what is referenced re the struggles of the fishing industry and other exporters is factual, when even the likes of the Mail report them then no bias can be applied.

I bought something online today, a regular purchase and the UK company I bought from had a note on their website that they had temporarily halted shipping to the EU. Who knows what proportion of their trade that accounts for and what temporary means.

As for the Indian trade deal, hard to argue if we get a good one but as others have pointed out the current moves only seem to indicate a commitment to achieving one and the conditions attached appear to include an easing of immigration controls for their citizens, a move which if it happened I’m sure would be condemned as inherently racist for advantaging one set of people over others. May also set a precedent for other nations we might want to deal with
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
After reading that article its just another example of how all of this is inconsequential to the reality of the UK leaving the EU. This is a media stance war, a war between two sides, one of which wholly backed remaining in the EU and must now be seen to discredit any news connected to brexit and the other which praises anything to justify the decision. Its more that they have an issue with the other side promoting or demeaning brexit rather than discuss the reality and facts of the situation as neither is prepared to move on from insulting the other sides stance. "You think this is a good thing and that it's down to brexit? Here's why it's NOT!" "You still think brexit was a bad decision? Well get prepared to be proved WRONG!"

Its nonsense, it helps nobody and doesn't reflect the reality of the situation. Is a £100bn trade deal with India good news? Yes. Does it "justify brexit" as is being argued here? It has no bearing on it whatsoever. People like Ben Chu (who after reading his other articles can be described quite accurately as a remoaner in every sense of the word) and others like him who feel the need to pour scourn over every trade agreement going forward need to realise that your argument is over.

The UK is no longer a member of the EU, that is the only 'reality' that needs addressing. A £100bn trade agreement with India neither condemns or justifies brexit. If you have an issue with the good news hungry press promoting such news stories, surely you must also have an issue with the bad news hungry press, spinning the same news stories into a negative slant. Other example;

Pre-brexit: Leave media - "What about the fish?" Remain - "Who gives a fuck about fish?"

Post-brexit: Remain media - "What about the fish?" Leave - "Who gives a fuck about fish?"

And on and on it goes. Its getting boring, guys, reading every article that has a obvious bias attached. Lets start promoting articles that discusses the situation and is informative without trying to force an opinion on it, yeah?
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What a dreary long post to say nothing matters. Nihilist Brexit.
 
Gove sends letter on NI Protocols demanding easements and concessions, EU reply with ‘Non’, and the mutually agreed outcome is thus. From RTE.

TL;DR We kissed and made up, the NI protocol is the only game in town and it has to work.

‘Both sides reiterate their full commitment to the Good Friday (Belfast) Agreement, and to the proper implementation of the Protocol – protecting the gains of the peace process, maintaining stability, avoiding a hard border on the island of Ireland and impacting as little as possible.

On the everyday life of communities in both Ireland and Northern Ireland spare no effort to implement solutions mutually agreed on 17 December, as they form a foundation for our cooperation.

Intensify the work of the Specialised Committee on the Protocol in order to address all outstanding issues, with the shared objective to find workable solutions on the ground.

Underpin this work by further joint engagement by the UK and the EU with business groups and civic society in Northern Ireland. Convene the Joint Committee no later than 24 February to provide the necessary political steer and approval to this work in the spirit of collaboration, responsibility and pragmatism.’
 
BobKowalski said:
Gove sends letter on NI Protocols demanding easements and concessions, EU reply with ‘Non’, and the mutually agreed outcome is thus. From RTE.

TL;DR We kissed and made up, the NI protocol is the only game in town and it has to work.

‘Both sides reiterate their full commitment to the Good Friday (Belfast) Agreement, and to the proper implementation of the Protocol – protecting the gains of the peace process, maintaining stability, avoiding a hard border on the island of Ireland and impacting as little as possible.

On the everyday life of communities in both Ireland and Northern Ireland spare no effort to implement solutions mutually agreed on 17 December, as they form a foundation for our cooperation.

Intensify the work of the Specialised Committee on the Protocol in order to address all outstanding issues, with the shared objective to find workable solutions on the ground.

Underpin this work by further joint engagement by the UK and the EU with business groups and civic society in Northern Ireland. Convene the Joint Committee no later than 24 February to provide the necessary political steer and approval to this work in the spirit of collaboration, responsibility and pragmatism.’
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Its piss funny - someone needs to get Gove in a studio and play him all his lies and bollocks back then confronts him with all thats going wrong and ask him can he explain why things aren't how he said they would be.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
After reading that article its just another example of how all of this is inconsequential to the reality of the UK leaving the EU. This is a media stance war, a war between two sides, one of which wholly backed remaining in the EU and must now be seen to discredit any news connected to brexit and the other which praises anything to justify the decision. Its more that they have an issue with the other side promoting or demeaning brexit rather than discuss the reality and facts of the situation as neither is prepared to move on from insulting the other sides stance. "You think this is a good thing and that it's down to brexit? Here's why it's NOT!" "You still think brexit was a bad decision? Well get prepared to be proved WRONG!"

Its nonsense, it helps nobody and doesn't reflect the reality of the situation. Is a £100bn trade deal with India good news? Yes. Does it "justify brexit" as is being argued here? It has no bearing on it whatsoever. People like Ben Chu (who after reading his other articles can be described quite accurately as a remoaner in every sense of the word) and others like him who feel the need to pour scourn over every trade agreement going forward need to realise that your argument is over.

The UK is no longer a member of the EU, that is the only 'reality' that needs addressing. A £100bn trade agreement with India neither condemns or justifies brexit. If you have an issue with the good news hungry press promoting such news stories, surely you must also have an issue with the bad news hungry press, spinning the same news stories into a negative slant. Other example;

Pre-brexit: Leave media - "What about the fish?" Remain - "Who gives a fuck about fish?"

Post-brexit: Remain media - "What about the fish?" Leave - "Who gives a fuck about fish?"

And on and on it goes. Its getting boring, guys, reading every article that has a obvious bias attached. Lets start promoting articles that discusses the situation and is informative without trying to force an opinion on it, yeah?
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The fish point is actually incredibly true.

Nearly every person on here who voted remain was saying to fuck the fishing industry as its 0.01% of GDP, if it meant a deal over no deal, myself included.

Now they spend every waking minute posting articles at how bad the fishing industry has gone.

I am consistent, I feel bad for those who work in that industry but on the scale of things, there’s far worse issues affected by Covid and it’s still 0.01% of GDP. The industry isn’t totally fucked but even if it was I’d have sacrificed it for a deal, over no deal.

This whole thread is a point scoring exercise and I actually saw one poster, who’s guilty of doing just that, accusing someone of scouting the internet to find negative Biden articles, in another thread, whilst he does the same all day every day in here.

It’s just bizarre stuff really but it is somewhat explainable.

Some of them haven’t got what they wanted at the ballot for 11 years. That’s a pretty long time to see your fellow citizens continuously rejecting your views every time of asking. They’re bitter and look at everything with a negative slant now. Not just this thread but the others on this sub forum. Apparently the UK is “regressive little shit hole country” according to some.

The reality is the vast vast majority of people aren’t really affected by Brexit. The job market saw no dip over December and January, in fact it grew in the sectors I work in. Salaries haven’t been affected, food still costs the same. The economy is set to do reasonably well. The biggest economic issue is still the pandemic. Yes, some companies have had issues exporting and yes the fishing industry is struggling, but fuck me, cheer up, the cliff edge hasn’t happened, we’re better clear of them for the sake of vaccines, which is far more important than selling shellfish and life is good.
 
BobKowalski said:
Gove sends letter on NI Protocols demanding easements and concessions, EU reply with ‘Non’, and the mutually agreed outcome is thus. From RTE.

TL;DR We kissed and made up, the NI protocol is the only game in town and it has to work.

‘Both sides reiterate their full commitment to the Good Friday (Belfast) Agreement, and to the proper implementation of the Protocol – protecting the gains of the peace process, maintaining stability, avoiding a hard border on the island of Ireland and impacting as little as possible.

On the everyday life of communities in both Ireland and Northern Ireland spare no effort to implement solutions mutually agreed on 17 December, as they form a foundation for our cooperation.

Intensify the work of the Specialised Committee on the Protocol in order to address all outstanding issues, with the shared objective to find workable solutions on the ground.

Underpin this work by further joint engagement by the UK and the EU with business groups and civic society in Northern Ireland. Convene the Joint Committee no later than 24 February to provide the necessary political steer and approval to this work in the spirit of collaboration, responsibility and pragmatism.’
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classic how it started how its going - this from New Years Day

 
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