Political relations between UK-EU

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BeerIsTheBest said:
Members of my family run a fish and shell-fish business in Cornwall. Most produce was exported but less now because of the horrendous volume of paperwork as explained in the article.
Albeit a small contributor to GDP what has happened to UK fishing is all what’s wrong with Boris and Brexit. Oven cooked deal, my arse. Reclaim our territorial waters, my arse.
The UK fishing industry has been sacrificed. It won’t recover. The politicians will pretend everything is rosy and move on.
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Politically, they'll rely on incomers and second-home owners to outvote the locals.

See the planning case at Torpoint where the local tenant farmer got consent to build a house for his family and the incomers collected money for a judicial review - and unluckily for the farmer the judge didn't normally do planning cases and overturned the consent. It's one house in an area of natural beauty where the main local feature on the landscape is a redundant coastguard station made of concrete, and the roof of the new house might be visible from two miles away. (The farmer, and other locals on the parish council then lost their seats in the last elections. It's a scandal that you get a local council vote for every home you own.) But fishers who can't afford to live in coastal villages is another example of money speaking, and people who fished or worked the land for generations are less electorally vital (which wasn't how "save Britain's fishing industry" was used by the Brexiters).

And the main agricultural machinery firm in Cornwall has had to open an EU office to avoid some of the red tape with its exports.
 
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BeerIsTheBest said:
Members of my family run a fish and shell-fish business in Cornwall. Most produce was exported but less now because of the horrendous volume of paperwork as explained in the article.
Albeit a small contributor to GDP what has happened to UK fishing is all what’s wrong with Boris and Brexit. Oven cooked deal, my arse. Reclaim our territorial waters, my arse.
The UK fishing industry has been sacrificed. It won’t recover. The politicians will pretend everything is rosy and move on.
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Sorry to hear about your family, particularly if they voted "Remain".

What's even worse is that your use of the term "sacrificed" implies they were killed in return for something else beneficial. They were sacrificied so that Boris Johnson could become PM, Nigel Farage could do his "fuck off" speech to Brussels, a bunch of billionaires could keep their tax havens and a load of ignorant people could keep shouting "We won you lost".

That's it. They were the "benefits".
 
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Didsbury Dave said:
Sorry to hear about your family, particularly if they voted "Remain".

What's even worse is that your use of the term "sacrificed" implies they were killed in return for something else beneficial. They were sacrificied so that Boris Johnson could become PM, Nigel Farage could do his "fuck off" speech to Brussels, a bunch of billionaires could keep their tax havens and a load of ignorant people could keep shouting "We won you lost".

That's it. They were the "benefits".
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And Northern Ireland could sit happily in the middle. You forgot that.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
Sorry to hear about your family, particularly if they voted "Remain".

What's even worse is that your use of the term "sacrificed" implies they were killed in return for something else beneficial. They were sacrificied so that Boris Johnson could become PM, Nigel Farage could do his "fuck off" speech to Brussels, a bunch of billionaires could keep their tax havens and a load of ignorant people could keep shouting "We won you lost".

That's it. They were the "benefits".
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Spot on. This is my whole point in that "Identity Politics" thread. The more whipped-up you can get people into a culture war, the easier it is to hide the obvious economic shared interests they have if they stop waving little flags and arguing about transgender people or rap music. Sadly, it seems millions are happy doing that while a tiny fraction of the population laugh their way to the bank and drive the entire climate we depend upon to live off a cliff of no return. Brexit is just one part of the puzzle, and the Tories played it perfectly. Somewhere in the soul of a depressing amount of over-fifties, there's a yearning for the Empire that won't go away, and will supress the actual reality of 2022.
 
west didsblue said:
Express headlines are comedy classics. Today the first one references a “Truss Masterstroke” and there’s this gem

GB News: Nigel Farage slams teen Greta Thunberg for making UK ‘dependent’ on Russian gas​

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The express is fucking weird all round. Constant reports about weather bombs, minus 2 degree big freezes, fury and rage about nothing, and best of all, 'brexit success as Britain trumps the EU in massive £15m trade deal'.

It's like they're fighting a war with no obvious opponent other than their own stupidity.

I'd be embarassed to admit I worked for that sad rag.

'EU approves eye watering £1.7 Billion 'Brexit compensation bill' for 12 desperate states.

You'd have to be clinically insane to believe there are any desperate states in the EU, and in an economic block we left that collectively spends trillions every year, £1.7 billion is small change.

It will receive nods of appreciation from the ''they'll miss our money' brigade, without any critical thinking running throgh their brains.
 
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It’s strange that nearly six years after the Brexit referendum, the world has so radically changed that it’s hard to envisage the internationalised environment returning, the environment that was supposed to offer so many opportunities. That’s not to decry the original decision, just an observation that things appear to have irrevocably changed.
 
NPBlue said:
The express is fucking weird all round. Constant reports about weather bombs, minus 2 degree big freezes, fury and rage about nothing, and best of all, 'brexit success as Britain trumps the EU in massive £15m trade deal'.

It's like they're fighting a war with no obvious opponent other than their own stupidity.

I'd be embarassed to admit I worked for that sad rag.

'EU approves eye watering £1.7 Billion 'Brexit compensation bill' for 12 desperate states.

You'd have to be clinically insane to believe there are any desperate states in the EU, and in an economic block we left that collectively spends trillions every year, £1.7 billion is small change.

It will receive nods of appreciation from the ''they'll miss our money' brigade, without any critical thinking running throgh their brains.
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It would fe fascinating to hear the views of express/mail readers on the reporting of Ukraine by the Russian media.
 
I am old enough to remember back when we were told this guy was a towering intellect a great negotiator who could get things done....................anyone else remember back to the summer of 2019?

www.independent.co.uk

David Frost admits his Brexit deal failed touring musicians hit by red tape

‘We have been too purist on this’, concedes minister who rejected EU offer – breaking promise to rescue visa free tours
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
 
Farage shocked everything the “fearmonger’s” said would happen is happening…

I wish I could feel any kind of joy at seeing the Brexiters get slapped in the face by reality but I can’t cos they’ve fucked things up for the rest of us as well.
 
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Express blames it on Macron - as I outlined earlier we are the little man who chose to leave the EU hence he has no entitlement except English entitlement to attend

www.express.co.uk

Bitter Brussels SNUBS Boris for key summit after 'insult'

BORIS JOHNSON has been snubbed by the EU's Council President after his remarks on Brexit and Ukraine.
www.express.co.uk www.express.co.uk
 
bluethrunthru said:
Express blames it on Macron - as I outlined earlier we are the little man who chose to leave the EU hence he has no entitlement except English entitlement to attend

www.express.co.uk

Bitter Brussels SNUBS Boris for key summit after 'insult'

BORIS JOHNSON has been snubbed by the EU's Council President after his remarks on Brexit and Ukraine.
www.express.co.uk www.express.co.uk
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It's actually impossible to parody the Express. It's incredible to think that some people actually form their opinions from reading it. They'd be better off reading Viz for a realistic view on the world.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Express blames it on Macron - as I outlined earlier we are the little man who chose to leave the EU hence he has no entitlement except English entitlement to attend

www.express.co.uk

Bitter Brussels SNUBS Boris for key summit after 'insult'

BORIS JOHNSON has been snubbed by the EU's Council President after his remarks on Brexit and Ukraine.
www.express.co.uk www.express.co.uk
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Brexiteers response on Twitter....

When it all goes wrong who are they going to call?

Britain. Thats who.

Just like WW2 when Britain almost single-handedly saved the world from the nazis.



English exceptionalism at its finest.
 
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