Political relations between UK-EU

[mancity2012_eamo]

You have to ask - why were they there?

They always fished there and had been out on the water for the last week.
Rockall is a disputed territory. It is an uninhabitable rock approximately 230 miles from Donegal and 240 miles from mainland Scotland. The Irish government has never accepted the UK proclaimed 12 mile exclusion zone around it.

The Donegal trawler has traditionally depended on 30% of it’s catch from these waters.

There will be intense negotiations again between UK and Irish governments lasting until the summer, they predict.

In the meantime, I think we’re at war with Scotland.

 

[BobKowalski]

I assume the infrastructure wasn't there in 2016? He has watched zero expansion in the infrastructure since that time. So what did he expect?
Likewise I assume the paperwork and VAT of which he speaks he readily dismissed as Project Fear as he campaigned and voted Leave?
Zero fucks given here.

Harsh, but fair.

 

[BobKowalski]

Well - as you have been one of those that have demonstrated that lack of understanding....... although TBF to you I think that, given how obvious the facts of issue are, you feign that lack of understanding just to play games - others - not so.

And yes - I would say especially UK fishermen (although they are not all Leave supporters as you seek to suggest) - as would be obvious to anyone not playing games.

They have vested interests in 'solely' that specific sector - the UK have used that sector for the good of the UK's negotiations overall and not failed to look after that group as well

What is truly funny - well would be if you were being serious and not just playing silly games - is that:

You, Vic and others have spent years banging on about the limitations of the UK fishing fleet - that they have not the capacity to catch more quotas etc. In fact you seem to have exulted in pointing that out.

But now the UK has secured a deal that increases the current position significantly and allows for a period of investment in the industry and has a date in the future when we can take control of as much more as we wish - you turn 180 degrees.

Anyway, I post this information for others and not you - so that they can see through the nonsense.

As I say, you must be playing silly games where you are feigning a lack of understanding - I can understand why - there are so many posts full of utter confidence that have been exposed as......

But me, I am looking to the future - so I will leave you to your games and move on

‘But me, I am looking to the future...’

I‘m sure you are, and at great speed, as the alternative is owning the piles of poo you are striding through on the way to the fucking future.

 

[west didsblue]

I assume the infrastructure wasn't there in 2016? He has watched zero expansion in the infrastructure since that time. So what did he expect?
Likewise I assume the paperwork and VAT of which he speaks he readily dismissed as Project Fear as he campaigned and voted Leave?
Zero fucks given here.

Project Fear isn't a thing any more. It's now called Project Obvious - the leavers knew all along that all the warnings were correct but voted for it anyway. Now that they're being pointed out they can say they already knew and it was what they wanted. Unfortunately the fishing industry isn't playing that game any more, but apparently you wouldn't expect them to know anything about their own industry!

 

[BobKowalski]

We must be careful not to get distracted by the very obvious - well deliberate distractions.

I am going to try and leave the baiting and goading mostly alone - there is an increasingly rosy future becoming apparent

TBF - we should show some understanding - they have spent years predicting with 100% confidence - what events will come to pass - and are being/have been proven to be spectacularly wrong.

The options are limited - just accepting and being grateful as this is best for the UK would be an obvious one

Going full on in denial is another. I actually do not think that there is an attempt to persuade you, me or anyone that can read and assess the reality of January 2021

I think that it is both a mutual support narrative and an attempt for the reality to be denied

We might have reacted the same - I like to think not - should the 7,000 lorry queues and empty shops materialised.

By distractions do you mean the various reports in the media about the effects of raising trade barriers overnight? Or the House committee on NI listening to the reports on shortages and lorries being turned away at the new customs border between GB and NI which the UK Govt, and yourself, pretend doesn‘t exist?

 

[stonerblue]

Thank you for the daily update.
I'm sure you can find a live stream from the port of Dover so you can alert us any time the situation changes.

While you're waiting perhaps you could explain the benefits to the UK of the movement of 99.8% of European share trading to Paris, the new tariffs on bananas from Ghana, the lack of access for UK fishermen to areas controlled by Norway and external territories of Denmark, all the companies that will no longer export to the UK due to additional costs and red tape etc, the inability for UK companies to export chilled minced red meat, chilled meat preparations (for example, raw sausages), minced meat (poultry), poultry and ratite or game bird mechanically-separated meat, ungraded eggs and composite products containing dairy products made from unpasteurised milk (for example, a ready meal topped with unpasteurised cheese).

And UK prescriptions no longer valid in EU

 

[stonerblue]

I hold out hope that some will be less obviously just desperate and largely irrelevant attempts that take some effort to bat off ;-)

Actually - that is not true - I hope that they remain exactly at the same level.

That means that there continues to be little of substance as regards downsides for the UK, for which we should all be grateful - and responding kills time whilst the 7,000 lorries are preparing to converge on Kent (I am running for cover then)

So a fisherman going out of business and a child not getting medicine are of 'little substance'?

 

[stonerblue]

I would put the order on hold for the time being.

Surely the government will be giving them away to 'build up our infastructure'?

 

[west didsblue]

So a fisherman going out of business and a child not getting medicine are of 'little substance'?

Not compared to there being no queues in Dover (even though it's explained by traffic being down 85%).

 

[mcfc1632]

They always fished there and had been out on the water for the last week.
Rockall is a disputed territory. It is an uninhabitable rock approximately 230 miles from Donegal and 240 miles from mainland Scotland. The Irish government has never accepted the UK proclaimed 12 mile exclusion zone around it.

The Donegal trawler has traditionally depended on 30% of it’s catch from these waters.

There will be intense negotiations again between UK and Irish governments lasting until the summer, they predict.

In the meantime, I think we’re at war with Scotland.

Oh well - at least they are aware now

Water pistols at dawn?