Political relations between UK-EU

[Vic]

More fish .....and lies......

Brexit: Boris Johnson's claims about its benefits fact-checked

The prime minister gave examples of the benefits of Brexit for "ordinary voters". How do they stack up?

www.bbc.co.uk

The BBC factcheckers, eh? New BBC Chair (mate of Rushi's) will sort out that department.

 

[AlexWilliamsGloves]

And what’s happening in NI is exactly why May wouldn’t do what Johnson did.

I mentioned a few times in the previous Brexit Threads....the majority of people in GB really dont consider, nay understand, the implications for us here in NI.

They read something about "stuff" happening in NI, or things "might" happen to NI and they simply dont care, not through malice but because its inconsequential.

Its easy to say you want to maintain the union of 4 countries as you think you are being patriotic or whatever....but the impact on NI has ZERO bearing on the day to day life of people in GB.

Anyone in GB who says they passionately want to keep NI in the Union is lying...or feigning interest....and its usually followed up with "well, if they decide to leave then so be it...id wish them well...the will of the people"....thats a cop out for really not caring and avoiding the difficult decisions.

As someone from a soft-unionist background NI feels like the needy little child demanding attention from its uninterested step-dad.....the will to remain in the UK, from people in NI is much stronger than the will to keep NI in the union from people in GB (does that make sense?)

 

[Vic]

I'm not sure (and can't be bothered to check) what the starting point is for the 25% of fish in UK waters that the EU will have to reduce by, but on the last stats the EU caught (at least) two-thirds of the fish in UK waters (but half by value). If it's tonnage, my maths says they end up with half, and the UK ends up with half.

Then all we need to do is increase the size of the UK fleet by a half, find lots of foreign crews (redundant Dutchmen?), and work out how to land herring in the UK then get them to Holland.

So is it worth buying a trawler ?

You might find the nets cost more than the boat.

Oh, and we can't catch all the fish we want in our waters. Not if you want the Marine Conservation Society label.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

I mentioned a few times in the previous Brexit Threads....the majority of people in GB really dont consider, nay understand, the implications for us here in NI.

They read something about "stuff" happening in NI, or things "might" happen to NI and they simply dont care, not through malice but because its inconsequential.

Its easy to say you want to maintain the union of 4 countries as you think you are being patriotic or whatever....but the impact on NI has ZERO bearing on the day to day life of people in GB.

Anyone in GB who says they passionately want to keep NI in the Union is lying...or feigning interest....and its usually followed up with "well, if they decide to leave then so be it...id wish them well...the will of the people"....thats a cop out for really not caring and avoiding the difficult decisions.

As someone from a soft-unionist background NI feels like the needy little child demanding attention from its uninterested step-dad.....the will to remain in the UK, from people in NI is much stronger than the will to keep NI in the union from people in GB (does that make sense?)

It makes a lot of sense to me.

 

[Metal Biker]

I mentioned a few times in the previous Brexit Threads....the majority of people in GB really dont consider, nay understand, the implications for us here in NI.

They read something about "stuff" happening in NI, or things "might" happen to NI and they simply dont care, not through malice but because its inconsequential.

Its easy to say you want to maintain the union of 4 countries as you think you are being patriotic or whatever....but the impact on NI has ZERO bearing on the day to day life of people in GB.

Anyone in GB who says they passionately want to keep NI in the Union is lying...or feigning interest....and its usually followed up with "well, if they decide to leave then so be it...id wish them well...the will of the people"....thats a cop out for really not caring and avoiding the difficult decisions.

As someone from a soft-unionist background NI feels like the needy little child demanding attention from its uninterested step-dad.....the will to remain in the UK, from people in NI is much stronger than the will to keep NI in the union from people in GB (does that make sense?)

I think you'll find that a lot of people in Great Britain these days, especially amongst those i've ever spoken to about the subject, are pretty much resigned on the idea that the fate of Northern Ireland will be decided by the Northern Irish. Not the UK Government and not the British people.

You want to stay in the union, great. You want to leave the union, fair dos. It's really a none issue for many of us. I hate to sound crass but genuinely, we're not really big on the whole "Norvern Ireland is Bri'ish!" mindset anymore. Maybe the over 50's are and a few imperialistic Tories, but not the wider population and definitely not the younger generations.

 

[meltonblue]

I mentioned a few times in the previous Brexit Threads....the majority of people in GB really dont consider, nay understand, the implications for us here in NI.

They read something about "stuff" happening in NI, or things "might" happen to NI and they simply dont care, not through malice but because its inconsequential.

Its easy to say you want to maintain the union of 4 countries as you think you are being patriotic or whatever....but the impact on NI has ZERO bearing on the day to day life of people in GB.

Anyone in GB who says they passionately want to keep NI in the Union is lying...or feigning interest....and its usually followed up with "well, if they decide to leave then so be it...id wish them well...the will of the people"....thats a cop out for really not caring and avoiding the difficult decisions.

As someone from a soft-unionist background NI feels like the needy little child demanding attention from its uninterested step-dad.....the will to remain in the UK, from people in NI is much stronger than the will to keep NI in the union from people in GB (does that make sense?)

I agree with all of that, the only caveat being that not everyone in GB who says they want to keep NI in the union is lying or feigning interest. The vast majority are though.

 

[AlexWilliamsGloves]

I think you'll find that a lot of people in Great Britain these days, especially amongst those i've ever spoken to about the subject, are pretty much resigned on the idea that the fate of Northern Ireland will be decided by the Northern Irish. Not the UK Government and not the British people.

You want to stay in the union, great. You want to leave the union, fair dos. It's really a none issue for many of us. I hate to sound crass but genuinely, we're not really big on the whole "Norvern Ireland is Bri'ish!" mindset anymore. Maybe the over 50's are and a few imperialistic Tories, but not the wider population and definitely not the younger generations.

That's pretty much what I mean....and coming from a perceived unionist background, growing up in a loyalist area....it's disappointing....and many feel incredibly let down....I see more "Britishness" in Belfast than I do in GB.....cos it's Englishness over there.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

I'd honestly say the main reason as a Brit I want to keep NI is it is a symbol of the UK being on the island of Ireland and a permanent reminder to those south of the border of our presence, especially after they felt the need to blow up the Arndale.

What NI actually brings to the UK I don't know, it comes across as "another place" as it rarely seems to make any effort to really sell itself and promote its plus points, whereas the Scots never bloody shut up.

Jaysus!

 

[hilts]

I think you'll find that a lot of people in Great Britain these days, especially amongst those i've ever spoken to about the subject, are pretty much resigned on the idea that the fate of Northern Ireland will be decided by the Northern Irish. Not the UK Government and not the British people.

You want to stay in the union, great. You want to leave the union, fair dos. It's really a none issue for many of us. I hate to sound crass but genuinely, we're not really big on the whole "Norvern Ireland is Bri'ish!" mindset anymore. Maybe the over 50's are and a few imperialistic Tories, but not the wider population and definitely not the younger generations.

Exactly whether someone is from Belfast Burnley Bridgend or Brechin it’s all the same, Each country ultimately has the right to decide its own fate. But while you’re in a union you have to accept what that means. This all seems a bit needy or small brother syndrome to me.

I would imagine the good people of Belfast spend as much time worrying about Burnley folk as Burnley folk worry about the people of Belfast.

 

[hilts]

I'd honestly say the main reason as a Brit I want to keep NI is it is a symbol of the UK being on the island of Ireland and a permanent reminder to those south of the border of our presence, especially after they felt the need to blow up the Arndale.

What NI actually brings to the UK I don't know, it comes across as "another place" as it rarely seems to make any effort to really sell itself and promote its plus points, whereas the Scots never bloody shut up.

Out of order that mate