Political relations between UK-EU

[BobKowalski]

Yeah I have.

Basic concept of left vs right on anything that isn’t a straight line and you flop.

It’s alright, I’m here to explain to you.

No need, covered the politics on a spectrum which curves to the point where both extremes share common ground in a politics course at 6th form college in 1977.

They didn‘t do a horse shoe though. For want of a nail and all that.

 

[mcfc1632]

She’s a Yank, we all know how daft those cunts are. People can call themselves anything they want, but it doesn’t mean they are that, especially if they don’t understand the terms they’re using.

Correct - and we have seen a lot of that on here

 

[Deleted member 77198]

They hear the word 'libertarian' and think it means 'stars and stripes forever'.

They think socialism is a poison, they think liberalism is left wing. They vote in C-list Hollywood actors and reality TV hosts... those fuckers know nowt about politics.

 

[west didsblue]

They think socialism is a poison, they think liberalism is left wing. They vote in C-list Hollywood actors and reality TV hosts... those fuckers know nowt about politics.

Maybe there's a lot of dyslexic librarians about.
On the other hand, if there are, they're in the wrong job.

 

[BobKowalski]

’I read stuff’...

“Tariff free does not feel like tariff free when you read the fine print” - Steve Rowe, CEO, M&S. 50 large UK retailers - including Tesco, H&M, Boots, Matalan, Dixons, Argos - are assessing the cost of EU tariffs as a result of the trade deal. Full story:

Debenhams closes online in Ireland as 50 major UK retailers face EU tariffs | ITV News

It is no longer possible for Debenhams to deliver orders to the Republic of Ireland "due to uncertainty around post-Brexit trade rules".

www.itv.com

 

[stonerblue]

And you mention this in the context that of this exchange because.......?

The poster that I replied to was linking to an article that bemoans that organisations such as the LSO have to complete relevant travel documentation when travelling to EU member countries to perform. Which will be exactly what they have to do when travelling to non-EU countries.

Given that the UK voted to Leave the EU in 2016 and that we have all been able to see how the negotiations have taken place during the last 4 years - then you could perhaps be forgiven for expecting that organisations that are used to travelling abroad, including outside the EU, to perform should be familiar with what is required and will have made appropriate preparations - no?

I mention this because you seemed to dismiss the music industry as trivial.
Not sure how they could've 'planned' european tours based on information from 4 weeks ago, nevermind 4 years. The industry has been asking for clarification off government for years. Didn't get any answers though.

 

[journolud]

Now now - calm down

You are wrong in your final comments - I have acknowledged - a long time ago and consistently - that there will be teething difficulties. And, I have acknowledged - post 31/12/20 - that there have been some teething difficulties - but the point I am making is......

These issues do not amount to anything resembling the situation that Remainers have been insisting will be the case.

The bottom line - that you and others are simply refusing to accept - is:

That the the situation is not remotely as disruptive as so many Remainers were saying would be the case and some, just IMO, have been hoping would be the case

It is the (some) Remainers that are avoiding the truth of January 2021 - not Leavers

Yeah fair enough you are right that you have consistently acknowledged what you euphemistically refer to as “teething problems” or what might properly be referred to as direct and immediate impacts on individuals, whether they be Brexit supporting eel exporters or musicians trying to make a living. That you are happy for those individuals to bear the cost in the cause of long term gain.

You have me wrong also. I don’t think I’ve ever predicted or wished for instant chaos or apocalypse, I’ve always been in the let’s wait and see camp and that’s where I still am. 6 days is hardly sufficient to judge Brexit a success or failure, especially in the midst of the economic impact of the pandemic.

You’ll struggle to persuade me that leaving aside any economic benefit Brexit is anything other than a backwards move. For the billions spent so far implementing Brexit and for those who do suffer the immediate negative impacts let’s all hope that we eventually as a nation see the real benefits. I’m not sure when would be a suitable time frame to take stock of that

 

[Vic]

Yeah that’s a good point, it’s not actually Boris, the graph is older than that.

He’d be somewhere just in the blue, right of the centre likely.

Hannan is very much purple, to the right, also.

Boris not important enough to feature.

 

[stonerblue]

Back in the Summer I told the misery merchants to wake up the next day, turn on their computers and look for positives about Brexit. I thought it would do their mental health some good because their obsession with the negatives that they trawl the internet or their Twitter echo chambers for must be doing their general mood no good whatsoever.

Bob replied to that and said something along the lines of “it’s the Leavers role to post positive news about Brexit, it’s my role is to take the piss.”

So he’s not even doing it in good faith. He’s on the WUM. He isn’t here for anything but to oppose anything about Brexit, and he’s not in his own.

It’s just more of this disease of causing divisions in society.

I've gotta say i have learned more about brexit from Bobs posts than i have from anybody else on or off here.
As for brexit positives, i'm struggling to find any and would gladly welcome any being pointed out, and from any poster.

 

[Ban-jani]

Boris not important enough to feature.

Probably not, no.