Political relations between UK-EU

[stonerblue]

She’s a Yank, we all know how daft those cunts are. People can call themselves anything they want, but it doesn’t mean they are that, especially if they don’t understand the terms they’re using.

What were you saying about 'causing division' a few posts ago?

''she's a Yank, we all know how daft those cunts are''

 

[stonerblue]

They hear the word 'libertarian' and think it means 'stars and stripes forever'.

Who's 'they'?

 

[Metal Biker]

Who's 'they'?

Keep up, old man. MAGA types.

 

[smudgedj]

Daniel Hannan is the person behind the Initiative for Free trade. A libertarian ultra free market front..

One of the people involved in Hannan's group and on its International Advisory board is Jorge Quiroga, he was Vice President to Hugo Banzer the brutal Bolivian dictator who protected a man called Klaus Barbie.

For those who have not heard of Klaus Barbie, look him up.

Hannan's fathers name was Hugh Ralston Hannan Wilson, Hannan dropped the Wilson, he claims as a child to have visited family in Santa Cruz Bolivia (Hannan was born in Peru) , Santa Cruz is where Klaus Barbie lived.

Hannan is a man unfit to be in the HoL, he is dangerous, very very fucking dangerous.

Klaus Barbie lived in Cochabamba.

 

[stonerblue]

Keep up, old man. MAGA types.

Funny that cos the post you liked and quoted and agreed with is pure racism towards Americans. No fucker mentioned 'MAGA types'' whatever the fuck they are.

 

[mcfc1632]

Yeah I have.

Basic concept of left vs right on anything that isn’t a straight line and you flop.

It’s alright, I’m here to explain to you.

You should have acted ages ago on this

I am holding you personally responsible for years of high-handedness that a lot of us have suffered

It seems that Bob is not the messiah - just a very naught boy;-)

 

[Vic]

Think I was more amused by the idea the ‘US must act accordingly’. That’s telling them. The Americans will definitely sit up and take notice now.

Actually, I was more intrigued by the success of our new trade deals, largely copying what we got in the EU. We've paid our subs so the cost of negotiating those deals is already paid for. Our latest publicity stunt is to apply to join CPTPP but there will be little to negotiate there - it's take it or leave it to accede to an existing treaty - except if the CPTPP was looking to do a deal with the EU, would they really want the UK getting all EU-phobic about it?

 

[Metal Biker]

Funny that cos the post you liked and quoted and agreed with is pure racism towards Americans. No fucker mentioned 'MAGA types'' whatever the fuck they are.

Americans aren't a 'race', numbnuts. And it was a discussion referencing those who stormed the Capitol Building yesterday, namely the woman who was shot and killed who called herself 'Libertarian' though her views and actions suggest otherwise, but you already knew that, didn't you, you WUM.

You don't know what 'MAGA' is... oh dear.

 

[mcfc1632]

Yeah fair enough you are right that you have consistently acknowledged what you euphemistically refer to as “teething problems” or what might properly be referred to as direct and immediate impacts on individuals, whether they be Brexit supporting eel exporters or musicians trying to make a living. That you are happy for those individuals to bear the cost in the cause of long term gain.

You have me wrong also. I don’t think I’ve ever predicted or wished for instant chaos or apocalypse, I’ve always been in the let’s wait and see camp and that’s where I still am. 6 days is hardly sufficient to judge Brexit a success or failure, especially in the midst of the economic impact of the pandemic.

You’ll struggle to persuade me that leaving aside any economic benefit Brexit is anything other than a backwards move. For the billions spent so far implementing Brexit and for those who do suffer the immediate negative impacts let’s all hope that we eventually as a nation see the real benefits. I’m not sure when would be a suitable time frame to take stock of that

To be clear:

"You have me wrong also. I don’t think I’ve ever predicted or wished for instant chaos or apocalypse, I’ve always been in the let’s wait and see camp and that’s where I still am."

I was not meaning to suggest that you are one of those with such hopes - I mentioned 'some'

Apologies if I was not clear on that

 

[mcfc1632]

Yeah fair enough you are right that you have consistently acknowledged what you euphemistically refer to as “teething problems” or what might properly be referred to as direct and immediate impacts on individuals, whether they be Brexit supporting eel exporters or musicians trying to make a living. That you are happy for those individuals to bear the cost in the cause of long term gain.

You have me wrong also. I don’t think I’ve ever predicted or wished for instant chaos or apocalypse, I’ve always been in the let’s wait and see camp and that’s where I still am. 6 days is hardly sufficient to judge Brexit a success or failure, especially in the midst of the economic impact of the pandemic.

You’ll struggle to persuade me that leaving aside any economic benefit Brexit is anything other than a backwards move. For the billions spent so far implementing Brexit and for those who do suffer the immediate negative impacts let’s all hope that we eventually as a nation see the real benefits. I’m not sure when would be a suitable time frame to take stock of that

Re:

"You’ll struggle to persuade me that leaving aside any economic benefit Brexit is anything other than a backwards move."

I won't need to try - I have consistently stated that this will become clear as the EU as to deal with the major fault lines that are inescapable

You may remember these exchanges when that unfolds