Political relations between UK-EU

  • Thread starter Thread starter Ric
  • Start date Start date
bluethrunthru said:
Because under German rules she isn't entitled - you have proper shown yourself up with that post
Click to expand...

really? So if she insisted she wanted the AZ vaccine as chancellor to show pwoplw it was safe ans to set an example they would have refused to give it to her as it would be breaking the law. Somehow i dont think so?

Care to answer the question i posed. Should AZ stop suppling vaccines to EU countries warehouse stockpiles and divert to countries that actually want to use the vaccines?
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
it was stupid damaging decision, she could of insisted she had it and vastly improved her countries vaccination take up. She decided against that. Bizzare
Click to expand...

It was a decision taken by Germany, Poland and Switzerland because AZ did not produce enough data to warrant authorisation for over 65’s under the rules of these countries. Japan and the US have also not authorised its use and are running their own trials.

Merkel isn’t going to overrule the German Regulators by taking the vaccine, especially as there are other vaccines available.

This isn‘t an issue. Different countries, different rules. It’s not complicated.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
really? So if she insisted she wanted the AZ vaccine as chancellor to show pwoplw it was safe ans to set an example they would have refused to give it to her as it would be breaking the law. Somehow i dont think so?

Care to answer the question i posed. Should AZ stop suppling vaccines to EU countries warehouse stockpiles and divert to countries that actually want to use the vaccines?
Click to expand...
Why don’t you read the translation of the source article rather than the disingenuous interpretation by the Express and other right wing U.K. media, then stop spouting rubbish.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
really? So if she insisted she wanted the AZ vaccine as chancellor to show pwoplw it was safe ans to set an example they would have refused to give it to her as it would be breaking the law. Somehow i dont think so?

Care to answer the question i posed. Should AZ stop suppling vaccines to EU countries warehouse stockpiles and divert to countries that actually want to use the vaccines?
Click to expand...

FFS - Cummings broke the rule and got pelters. But wasn't sacked.

Merkel sticks to HER OWN GOVERNMENTS RULES and you think she should be pilloried. Your prejudices are pretty clear there.

Why should AZ stop supplying vaccines? Has Germany said they won't administer them? No it has set its own rules as it is allowed to as a sovereign nation within the EU. So why should supplies be stopped? To pander to your prejudices?
 
bluethrunthru said:
FFS - Cummings broke the rule and got pelters. But wasn't sacked.

Merkel sticks to HER OWN GOVERNMENTS RULES and you think she should be pilloried. Your prejudices are pretty clear there.

Why should AZ stop supplying vaccines? Has Germany said they won't administer them? No it has set its own rules as it is allowed to as a sovereign nation within the EU. So why should supplies be stopped? To pander to your prejudices?
Click to expand...
Firstly calm down pal. No need to get upset or angry, this is just a forum for opinions.

Secondly they are guidelines not rules or laws.


My point is she could have chosen to take the AZ and in doing so encouraged other Germans to take up the vaccine. She chose not to and in doing so she has undoubtedly put back the German vaccine programe ever further. If i were her i would have spoken to my advisors and said we need to encourage people under 65 to take this vaccine therefore im going to take it to show them its safe.

Its not just people over 65 that are not taking it many people under 65 across Europe are choosing to not have it and mainly because of the ill informed comments of European politicians and press. Merkel had an opportunity to possibly influence and change that ill informed public perception. In not doing so she has hindered the vaccine take up. But best leave it there as i know from experience that you personally are not prepared to accept any criticism of any european policy or leader, so we are not going to agree on this. Have a good evening.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Firstly calm down pal. No need to get upset or angry, this is just a forum for opinions.

Secondly they are guidelines not rules or laws.


My point is she could have chosen to take the AZ and in doing so encouraged other Germans to take up the vaccine. She chose not to and in doing so she has undoubtedly put back the German vaccine programe ever further. If i were her i would have spoken to my advisors and said we need to encourage people under 65 to take this vaccine therefore im going to take it to show them its safe.

Its not just people over 65 that are not taking it many people under 65 across Europe are choosing to not have it and mainly because of the ill informed comments of European politicians and press. Merkel had an opportunity to possibly influence and change that ill informed public perception. In not doing so she has hindered the vaccine take up. But best leave it there as i know from experience that you personally are not prepared to accept any criticism of any european policy or leader, so we are not going to agree on this. Have a good evening.
Click to expand...
Honestly don’t know what point you are pushing here, regarding Merkel.
Similar policy here in Ireland and from my understanding the AZ vaccine is a major cornerstone of our vaccine rollout, which currently I would be critical of.

Statement on the approval of the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine in the Irish vaccination programme

Supplies of AstraZeneca will begin arriving in Ireland from next week and deliveries of Pfizer and Moderna will continue as scheduled
www.gov.ie www.gov.ie
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
Honestly don’t know what point you are pushing here, regarding Merkel.
Similar policy here in Ireland and from my understanding the AZ vaccine is a major cornerstone of our vaccine rollout, which currently I would be critical of.

Statement on the approval of the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine in the Irish vaccination programme

Supplies of AstraZeneca will begin arriving in Ireland from next week and deliveries of Pfizer and Moderna will continue as scheduled
www.gov.ie www.gov.ie
Click to expand...
Can you still get sugar puffs over there? Since brexit even the own brand ones have gone.
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
Honestly don’t know what point you are pushing here, regarding Merkel.
Similar policy here in Ireland and from my understanding the AZ vaccine is a major cornerstone of our vaccine rollout, which currently I would be critical of.

Statement on the approval of the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine in the Irish vaccination programme

Supplies of AstraZeneca will begin arriving in Ireland from next week and deliveries of Pfizer and Moderna will continue as scheduled
www.gov.ie www.gov.ie
Click to expand...

It's a mad argument.
Presumably to take it, Merkel would need to find a doctor who decided to break the regulatory advice and administer it. That would be quite an odd thing for a country's leader to do.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
It's a mad argument.
Presumably to take it, Merkel would need to find a doctor who decided to break the regulatory advice and administer it. That would be quite an odd thing for a country's leader to do.
Click to expand...
But then she's never been to the outlaw capital of the world, Church Lawton.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
It's a mad argument.
Presumably to take it, Merkel would need to find a doctor who decided to break the regulatory advice and administer it. That would be quite an odd thing for a country's leader to do.
Click to expand...
Or perhaps she could look at her countries poor vaccine take up. Look at the latest information that clearly indicates the AZ vaccine is safe and highly effective for people over 65 and publically state that she is happy to take it and that her health regulators should look at the data again and approve its use for the elderly. She is the chancellor afterall.

Sometimes there is a bigger picture and I think Merkel has missed it this time. IMO Some of the EU leaders were playing politics with the AZ vaccine a month or two back and now it has backfired spectacularly. They need to take some big positive steps in getting the public back on side. I just saw this as an opportunity missed by her.

This isnt aimed at you, but finally can i just say i only come on here for a bit of light debate. These are just my opinions and I respect the opinions of others even tho i might not always agree with them. I dont see the need to get angry, personal and abuse people, its not that pleasant.
 
Last edited:
BobKowalski said:
It was a decision taken by Germany, Poland and Switzerland because AZ did not produce enough data to warrant authorisation for over 65’s under the rules of these countries. Japan and the US have also not authorised its use and are running their own trials.

Merkel isn’t going to overrule the German Regulators by taking the vaccine, especially as there are other vaccines available.

This isn‘t an issue. Different countries, different rules. It’s not complicated.
Click to expand...



What on earth are you saying ? .... that Germany and Poland are both members of the Eu and Sovereign Nations at the same time?
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Good morning chaps, still anrgy and upset

Or perhaps she could look at her countries poor vaccine take up. Look at the latest information that clearly indicates the AZ vaccine is safe and highly effective for people over 65 and publically state that she is happy to take it and that her health regulators should look at the data again and approve its use for the elderly. She is the chancellor afterall.

Sometimes there is a bigger picture and I think Merkel has missed it this time. IMO Some of the EU leaders were playing politics with the AZ vaccine a month or two back and now it has backfired spectacularly. They need to take some big positive steps in getting the public back on side. I just saw this as an opportunity missed by her.

This isnt aimed at you, but finally can i just say i only come on here for a bit of light debate. These are just my opinions and I respect the opinions of others even tho i might not always agree with them. I dont see the need to get angry, personal and abuse people, its not that pleasant.
Click to expand...
No need to be angry and upset however I see you are still spouting the same nonsense even when numerous people have patiently explained the situation. I even posted the translation of the original German interview where she strongly praised the efficacy of the AZ vaccine before saying she was ineligible for it due to age. This was disingenuously reported in some of the UK press that she refused the AZ jab which no doubt is what you latched on to. Unfortunately that translation was removed by the mods presumably because it was part of a clean up after someone used an abusive term about Merkel. But in spite of all that you're still peddling the same old shite. Not only that but you're now suggesting that the German government interferes with their independent regulator!
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
I know but regardless it was a stupid decision by her.

Do you think AZ should stop supply to warehouses where it isnt being uaed and divert to countries that would be greatful. Yes or no?
Click to expand...
Yes or No? You do inhabit a linear world mate.
I think the EU have been incredibly stupid in this matter, particularly Macron and its no bloody wonder there are reservations about taking the vaccine after what he said. I do think that vaccines are valuable and it would be a tragedy if any were wasted. In the first instance though, the EU needs to get its comms in order and get these vaccines moving. So to answer your linear question, at this stage no. In the near future dependent on the outcome of above, yes.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
Yes or No? You do inhabit a linear world mate.
I think the EU have been incredibly stupid in this matter, particularly Macron and its no bloody wonder there are reservations about taking the vaccine after what he said. I do think that vaccines are valuable and it would be a tragedy if any were wasted. In the first instance though, the EU needs to get its comms in order and get these vaccines moving. So to answer your linear question, at this stage no. In the near future dependent on the outcome of above, yes.
Click to expand...
The world is full of black and white questions. Its just that it suits fence sitting politicians to not look at it that way. :-)
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Good morning chaps, still anrgy and upset

Or perhaps she could look at her countries poor vaccine take up. Look at the latest information that clearly indicates the AZ vaccine is safe and highly effective for people over 65 and publically state that she is happy to take it and that her health regulators should look at the data again and approve its use for the elderly. She is the chancellor afterall.

Sometimes there is a bigger picture and I think Merkel has missed it this time. IMO Some of the EU leaders were playing politics with the AZ vaccine a month or two back and now it has backfired spectacularly. They need to take some big positive steps in getting the public back on side. I just saw this as an opportunity missed by her.

This isnt aimed at you, but finally can i just say i only come on here for a bit of light debate. These are just my opinions and I respect the opinions of others even tho i might not always agree with them. I dont see the need to get angry, personal and abuse people, its not that pleasant.
Click to expand...

I don't think overruling/undermining the regulators is a reasonable act. I also expect the regulators are keeping themselves informed with the extra studies on the older agegroups, without needing to be told.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Unread Posts

Don't have an account? Register now and see fewer ads!

SIGN UP
Back
Top