Political relations between UK-EU

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Saddleworth2 said:
Oh heavens. Tell that to an exporter that is now subject to 100 times the red tape they had before.
what Rules are we capable of making now mate, in our isolated trade world? Maybe we should be self sufficient? Oh sorry, we have cut off our main manual worker supply line.

We are well and truly fucked. Fucked by COVID, fucked by brexit, fucked by the cretins some voted in as our ‘government’.
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Any potential market we trade with depends on how closely we align but it’s the UK’s decision to align or not, it’s not a rule or law we’re taking from a parliament in another country

Anyway, I can see this part of this website is a complete echo chamber and anyone who dares question anything, even if they didn’t vote leave, is hounded.

The funny thing is I haven’t even said Brexit was the right thing to do or a good idea and you’re all foaming at the mouth.

I suppose this is what the internet is like and I cannot be arsed wasting my time.
 
BobKowalski said:
Unfortunately, and alas, there are be tons of new rules that go with trading with the EU. Brexit rules. Lots and lots of expensive Brexit rules.

Want to know how to eliminate all these expensive new rules? You align with EU rules thereby getting rid of all the Brexit red tape and Brexit rules.

The other solution is not to apply the rules to the EU while they apply the rules to us - currently our favoured solution. A solution born out of desperation and necessity.

Anyway, Tory stalwart and chairman of M&S is sounding the alarm on the Brexit rules due at the end of this month. It is odds on that we further extend the somewhat unequal trading relationship with the EU by not enforcing the rules we signed up to on 1st Oct.

Pass the popcorn.

www.bbc.com

M&S warns of new food supplies threat as Brexit rules change - BBC News

Retailer warns of "significant disruption" to food imports when new paperwork comes in next month.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com
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Again, as I’ve said to the others, you’re arguing against someone that doesn’t necessarily disagree with you and isn’t championing Brexit.

I have just put the point across what the argument should have been and why the Norway option wasn’t a good one.

You can all get back to posting stuff from Twitter at each other, don’t worry.
 
Octavian said:
Again, as I’ve said to the others, you’re arguing against someone that doesn’t necessarily disagree with you and isn’t championing Brexit.

I have just put the point across what the argument should have been and why the Norway option wasn’t a good one.

You can all get back to posting stuff from Twitter at each other, don’t worry.
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Perhaps you should suggest what we should do now, rather than say what we shouldn’t.

This is why you have been lined up as a brexiteer. Lots of defending the crap that’s happening, without suggesting how we get out of this mess.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Perhaps you should suggest what we should do now, rather than say what we shouldn’t.

This is why you have been lined up as a brexiteer. Lots of defending the crap that’s happening, without suggesting how we get out of this mess.
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“Lined up” - fucking hell haha, I came on for a friendly chat and no, I haven’t been defending the current mess.

Despite not saying a single positive thing about Brexit I’ve been called stupid and now I’m expected to come up with the solution to all the country’s problems.

It’s a bit apoplectic in here, isn’t it?
 
Octavian said:
“Lined up” - fucking hell haha, I came on for a friendly chat and no, I haven’t been defending the current mess.

Despite not saying a single positive thing about Brexit I’ve been called stupid and now I’m expected to come up with the solution to all the country’s problems.

It’s a bit apoplectic in here, isn’t it?
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No, you’re making noise for no reason. You’re disagreeing with posters without actually offering a solution.

You know you’ve made it when the Swiss Cheese muncher likes one of your posts. He wums via likes. He thinks your wumming. Congratulations.
 
Octavian said:
Forgive me if I’m mistaken but aren’t you a Labour supporter? It’s what I’ve gathered from your posts in the last week or so.

You do realise Labour have a policy, as did Corbyn’s Labour, of increasing taxes? You do know the left prefer to tax to improve services to the population?
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Not so much Labour as anti -tory - call me stupid but being lied to and seeing promises broken with mine and my children's futures restricted I despise this lot - I suppose those who don't are ambivalent to being lied to - to seeing manifesto pledges broken - to seeing Brexit pledges broken - to seeing UK industries and public services decimated because for some reason they are the patriots and I am not ----- mad eh?
 
Octavian said:
Any potential market we trade with depends on how closely we align but it’s the UK’s decision to align or not, it’s not a rule or law we’re taking from a parliament in another country

Anyway, I can see this part of this website is a complete echo chamber and anyone who dares question anything, even if they didn’t vote leave, is hounded.

The funny thing is I haven’t even said Brexit was the right thing to do or a good idea and you’re all foaming at the mouth.

I suppose this is what the internet is like and I cannot be arsed wasting my time.
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As a non-Brexiteer you certainly seem to be taken in by lots of discredited Brexit arguments. Very odd.
 
Octavian said:
“This is not Brexit. Britain could have left Brussels and freed itself from a mass of rules and regulations. It is the result of leaving the single market”

Who dictates the rules and regulations of the single market?

Leaving the EU and remaining in the Single Market is essentially pulling our chair away from the table but allowing the table to dictate to us still.
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In that daft analogy, it's the table that would have spared us empty shelves, lower trade figures, and not seen farmers and fishers cursing the madness of leaving the SM.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Perhaps you should suggest what we should do now, rather than say what we shouldn’t.

This is why you have been lined up as a brexiteer. Lots of defending the crap that’s happening, without suggesting how we get out of this mess.
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To be fair there is little we can do. As longs as Frosty the Showman is doing his shit and Johnson and the rest are shouting nonsense they want no truck with us. Why would they? Only one side holds the cards'

If we were to try and rejoin the SM and CU now we would be vetoed out of hand. Why should they? The effects will be far worse overall for us than the EU. Best bet is let us stew - even go through with the pathetic threat of Article 16 see the breakdown on the UK and have us desperate banging on their door for help then go.....

"hmmmmm - maybe - lets first talk about your Euro membership and freedom of movement...........oh and whilst we don't have any sort of EU Army you will have to sign a pledge to join" - that is the only way this is going or alternatively JRM's 50 year run out period and see how things look then............I wonder who voted for that?
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
No, you’re making noise for no reason. You’re disagreeing with posters without actually offering a solution.

You know you’ve made it when the Swiss Cheese muncher likes one of your posts. He wums via likes. He thinks your wumming. Congratulations.
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I get it, you can only think one way on everything or you’re not allowed to post, got it.

I wasn’t making noise for no reason, pointing out the Norway option is a bad one for the UK is a key point in my opinion, as is discussing what the actual real Brexit argument is.

But hey ho, you lot carry on.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Not so much Labour as anti -tory - call me stupid but being lied to and seeing promises broken with mine and my children's futures restricted I despise this lot - I suppose those who don't are ambivalent to being lied to - to seeing manifesto pledges broken - to seeing Brexit pledges broken - to seeing UK industries and public services decimated because for some reason they are the patriots and I am not ----- mad eh?
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Well I’m not going to defend the Tories but you mentioned paying extra tax so that’s what I wanted to comment on. You will pay more tax under Labour and that’s a key policy of left wing politics.
 
Vic said:
In that daft analogy, it's the table that would have spared us empty shelves, lower trade figures, and not seen farmers and fishers cursing the madness of leaving the SM.
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Did I say leaving the table was a good idea?

Fucking hell
 
I have just seen the latest example of going our own way and making our own rules. What used to be British Standards. - we now cut and paste EU standards and stick the UK flag on them. Electric goods anyone? Taking back control.
 
bluethrunthru said:
To be fair there is little we can do. As longs as Frosty the Showman is doing his shit and Johnson and the rest are shouting nonsense they want no truck with us. Why would they? Only one side holds the cards'

If we were to try and rejoin the SM and CU now we would be vetoed out of hand. Why should they? The effects will be far worse overall for us than the EU. Best bet is let us stew - even go through with the pathetic threat of Article 16 see the breakdown on the UK and have us desperate banging on their door for help then go.....

"hmmmmm - maybe - lets first talk about your Euro membership and freedom of movement...........oh and whilst we don't have any sort of EU Army you will have to sign a pledge to join" - that is the only way this is going or alternatively JRM's 50 year run out period and see how things look then............I wonder who voted for that?
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I think this is unlikely. The reality for the EU 27 is they want the block to be solid and their significant concerns right now are the governments in Poland and Hungary.

For the UK they would want us in the SM and CU as it just makes life easier especially for ROI. Us being out doesnt help any of them. The Euro thing is not a thing. 9 member states don't use the Euro and they don't have to. Its a non issue. Same with an EU army - its just an idea that gets floated around a lot but it doesn't have any massive momentum behind it.

If we wanted to fully rejoin or just re enter the SM/CU I would think their only concern would be how solid the commitment would be.
 
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