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[marco]

I’m hoping this time in lockdown has made people realise that they don’t need to go to hospital or the doctor for every minor ailment or pain they suffer with.

I don't know whether it was they way I was brought up with a Mother who genuinely was really ill at times so it makes me being ill seem like sod all; or a Father who was never ill (had about half a dozen days off work ill since he left school); or whether it’s just that I played rugby and saw lads play-on with a broken cheek or dislocated shoulder so it sort of makes you toughened to pain and realise that pain doesn’t mean something is serious...

I still have fingers to spare when I count the amount of times I’ve been to the doctors in my life. I didn’t have a single day off school from Year 7 until I left in Year 13 (think I had a few days off in Primary school but you’re a germ magnet when you’re a kid aren’t you?)

But fuck me some people are always complaining about something that’s up with them. Whether illness or pain. It makes it harder for all those who are genuinely ill or injured to get better because the health system is clogged up with blaggers and hypochondriacs.

maybe a £10 apointment fee payable at the surgery counter or deduction from benefits would weed the wankers out, repaid in full if the doctor decides you need any form of medical treatment

 

[blueparrot]

maybe a £10 apointment fee payable at the surgery counter or deduction from benefits would weed the wankers out, repaid in full if the doctor decides you need any form of medical treatment

We’ve seen deaths increase probably from not seeking treatment, we need people to go to the doctors even if it turns out for some it’s trivial and they don’t need treatment. So anything that deters people from going if they aren’t sure can cost lives and in the long term cost the NHS far more in treatments that could have been caught early.
Know somebody that wouldn't go with a sore knee , eventually went, turned out to be cancer he eventually survived after long treatments but any further delay he wouldn’t be with us.

 

[Cityfan]

We’ve seen deaths increase probably from not seeking treatment, we need people to go to the doctors even if it turns out for some it’s trivial and they don’t need treatment. So anything that deters people from going if they aren’t sure can cost lives and in the long term cost the NHS far more in treatments that could have been caught early.
Know somebody that wouldn't go with a sore knee , eventually went, turned out to be cancer he eventually survived after long treatments but any further delay he wouldn’t be with us.

I don't think there's much evidence that deaths have increased because of people not going to their doctors.
Doctors don't save many lives in urgent situations and traditionally death rates go down when doctors go on strike.

 

[marco]

We’ve seen deaths increase probably from not seeking treatment, we need people to go to the doctors even if it turns out for some it’s trivial and they don’t need treatment. So anything that deters people from going if they aren’t sure can cost lives and in the long term cost the NHS far more in treatments that could have been caught early.
Know somebody that wouldn't go with a sore knee , eventually went, turned out to be cancer he eventually survived after long treatments but any further delay he wouldn’t be with us.

point taken,,,i think they were at one point proposing a charge similar to my post but it was turfed out as if that happened the NHS would no longer be the NHS as you would be paying, i went along to the doctors a couple of years ago for something minor and ended up getting a bolocking from him as i had not seen him for 13 years,that was my previous visit date, i thought i was doing him a favor but he was serious

 

[blueparrot]

I don't think there's much evidence that deaths have increased because of people not going to their doctors.
Doctors don't save many lives in urgent situations and traditionally death rates go down when doctors go on strike.

Not yet, though there is evidence of an increase in death rates not attributable directly to covid we will need to wait and see the true cause. My point still stands though and a reason most doctors would rather have some time wasters than see people put off going to the doctor in case it was wasting time.
Their mantra especially for men is see a doctor if it’s nothing they don’t mind.

 

[blueparrot]

point taken,,,i think they were at one point proposing a charge similar to my post but it was turfed out as if that happened the NHS would no longer be the NHS as you would be paying, i went along to the doctors a couple of years ago for something minor and ended up getting a bolocking from him as i had not seen him for 13 years,that was my previous visit date, i thought i was doing him a favor but he was serious

Think the only charge should be for no shows.

 

[Cityfan]

Not yet, though there is evidence of an increase in death rates not attributable directly to covid we will need to wait and see the true cause. My point still stands though and a reason most doctors would rather have some time wasters than see people put off going to the doctor in case it was wasting time.
Their mantra especially for men is see a doctor if it’s nothing they don’t mind.

My own hunch is that the vast majority of excess deaths will be directly attributable to Covid, its pretty much tracked definite covid deaths both in this country and others as far as I can see. The most likely explanation is that it's covid though I may be wrong.
I suspect most doctors don't appreciate the very regular time wasters although they clearly don't want people to ignore worrying symptoms.

 

[twosips]

I’m hoping this time in lockdown has made people realise that they don’t need to go to hospital or the doctor for every minor ailment or pain they suffer with.

I don't know whether it was they way I was brought up with a Mother who genuinely was really ill at times so it makes me being ill seem like sod all; or a Father who was never ill (had about half a dozen days off work ill since he left school); or whether it’s just that I played rugby and saw lads play-on with a broken cheek or dislocated shoulder so it sort of makes you toughened to pain and realise that pain doesn’t mean something is serious...

I still have fingers to spare when I count the amount of times I’ve been to the doctors in my life. I didn’t have a single day off school from Year 7 until I left in Year 13 (think I had a few days off in Primary school but you’re a germ magnet when you’re a kid aren’t you?)

But fuck me some people are always complaining about something that’s up with them. Whether illness or pain. It makes it harder for all those who are genuinely ill or injured to get better because the health system is clogged up with blaggers and hypochondriacs.

I get that, but given the most serious of life threatening illnesses can start with the most minor of symptoms, and if you catch them early your chance of recovery is significantly higher, what do you expect people to do? I'm not a hypochondriac at all, but I understand people's concerns. I also understand that some people just live in a lot of pain and struggle with it. I feel for anyone with permanent pain. Must make life difficult.

The message has always been to get any dodgy symptoms checked early. From doctors. So why would people not do that?

 

[The Stockport Iniesta]

maybe a £10 apointment fee payable at the surgery counter or deduction from benefits would weed the wankers out, repaid in full if the doctor decides you need any form of medical treatment

What a terrible idea, a tenner is a lot of money to some people, some just won't bother at all.

 

[The Stockport Iniesta]

I don't think there's much evidence that deaths have increased because of people not going to their doctors.
Doctors don't save many lives in urgent situations and traditionally death rates go down when doctors go on strike.

Why would death rates go down when Dr's go on strike? Doesn't make any sense. I know junior Dr's can go on strike, but qualified Dr's?

 

[MCFC_ Phil]

Why would death rates go down when Dr's go on strike? Doesn't make any sense. I know junior Dr's can go on strike, but qualified Dr's?

Yeah, he's talking bollox

 

[The Stockport Iniesta]

Yeah, he's talking bollox

The date must have come from Shipman's surgery.

 

[Shellac]

My own hunch is that the vast majority of excess deaths will be directly attributable to Covid, its pretty much tracked definite covid deaths both in this country and others as far as I can see. The most likely explanation is that it's covid though I may be wrong.
I suspect most doctors don't appreciate the very regular time wasters although they clearly don't want people to ignore worrying symptoms.

You're taking the piss, cancer referrals have gone down massively, people rushed into hospital with heart problems cut drastically. Get covid you might die. Don't get treated for a heart attack you're dead, almost certain you will be be without cancer treatment. Massive scaremongering will kill more than covid.

 

[Uwe`s Grandad]

France's coronavirus death toll is under 30 for third day in a row



The death toll in France rose by 28 on Friday to bring the country's total number of fatalities to 29,374.



On Thursday and Wednesday the toll stood at 27 and 23, after averaging over 50 in the previous seven days and 91 in the 33 days since the end of lockdown on May 11, Reuters reports.

The health ministry also said the number of people in hospital dropped by 341 to 11,124 and the number of people in intensive care units fell by 24 to 879.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Why would death rates go down when Dr's go on strike? Doesn't make any sense. I know junior Dr's can go on strike, but qualified Dr's?

It is very rare for senior doctors to go on strike. When the juniors when on strike the other year their duties were largely covered by consultants (and sometimes advance nurse practitioners) so it is possible people received higher quality of care in those circumstances.

 

[Cityfan]

Why would death rates go down when Dr's go on strike? Doesn't make any sense. I know junior Dr's can go on strike, but qualified Dr's?

Yeah, he's talking bollox

You're taking the piss, cancer referrals have gone down massively, people rushed into hospital with heart problems cut drastically. Get covid you might die. Don't get treated for a heart attack you're dead, almost certain you will be be without cancer treatment. Massive scaremongering will kill more than covid.

It is very rare for senior doctors to go on strike. When the juniors when on strike the other year their duties were largely covered by consultants (and sometimes advance nurse practitioners) so it is possible people received higher quality of care in those circumstances.

It's a pretty well recognised phenomenon
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18849101/
People won't be dieing in the short term because of lack of cancer treatment and most heart attack treatment is about preventing recurrence by the time you're in hospital most of the damage is done.
Doctors generally make people better by boring things like measuring blood pressure and immunizing people not through people going into hospital.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Excellent interview today in Mail's money section with boss at Astra Zeneca.

Confident vaccine roll out in NHS by end of September, also another therapeutic with very impressive results so far with regards respiratory control.

Enough vaccine already for two billion doses.

A billion doses have been set aside for third world and undeveloped countries.

Bill Gates has bankrolled a large part of it.

UK will be first in queue due to the workings of Oxford University team and their long ties in UK.

Now Britain's most valuable company at £120bn and number one listing on FTSE.

400m doses paid for by US.

Astra aren't certain yet if people over 75 might require two separate doses in terms of total efficacy.

Light on the horizon!

 

[richards30]

On the Isle of Man from Monday no social distancing required and everything back to normal! Not one case for 24 days and no one to be tested! Businesses all fully open including beauty salons, hairdressers and pubs that do food. Non food pubs opening the end of June

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Excellent interview today in Mail's money section with boss at Astra Zeneca.

Confident vaccine roll out in NHS by end of September, also another therapeutic with very impressive results so far with regards respiratory control.

Enough vaccine already for two billion doses.

A billion doses have been set aside for third world and undeveloped countries.

Bill Gates has bankrolled a large part of it.

UK will be first in queue due to the workings of Oxford University team and their long ties in UK.

Now Britain's most valuable company at £120bn and number one listing on FTSE.

400m doses paid for by US.

Astra aren't certain yet if people over 75 might require two separate doses in terms of total efficacy.

Light on the horizon!

End of September nowhere near long enough to judge the side effects of a vaccine.

 

[somapop]

Excellent interview today in Mail's money section with boss at Astra Zeneca.

Confident vaccine roll out in NHS by end of September, also another therapeutic with very impressive results so far with regards respiratory control.

Enough vaccine already for two billion doses.

A billion doses have been set aside for third world and undeveloped countries.

Bill Gates has bankrolled a large part of it.

UK will be first in queue due to the workings of Oxford University team and their long ties in UK.

Now Britain's most valuable company at £120bn and number one listing on FTSE.

400m doses paid for by US.

Astra aren't certain yet if people over 75 might require two separate doses in terms of total efficacy.

Light on the horizon!

Like one of your old Etihad Campus rousing posts Tolmie!! Let’s hope it gains resale, positive traction.