Post Match Thread: Election 2017

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I'm not sure really. On the one hand, I think you're right and that the Tories would lose the next election if held any time soon. But on the other hand, I reflect on the fact that they still polled more votes and got significantly more seats than Corbyn, whilst running the most ludicrously awful campaign with a leader who was shockingly bad. Patch up the manifesto and throw a few vote winning goodies in there; replace May with someone vaguely appealing, and who knows.

And whilst there's clearly no public appetite for another vote on anything any time soon (with the relentless media bore fest it entails), I think as time progresses, things will likely get worse for the Tories, not better. The economy is stalling as a result of Brexit, which doesn't help at all. And it is inconceivable that the Brexit negotiations will go swimmingly, let alone go so well that no mud can be thrown by those with a political angle and an eye to do damage.

I think their best hope is to try to hang on until 2022, when hopefully Brexit is done and behind us, and there's something positive to campaign around. Whether they can hold out that long is another matter altogether.

Corbyn hit the sweet spot. Fatally damaging May and leaving the Tories to try make something out of the shit show that is the Brexit negotiations from a much weakened position. All Corbyn has to do is tend his allotment and take pot shots from the safety of the sidelines. It's noticeable that there have been Tory calls for a cross party consensus on Brexit and present a 'common view' ie please share the pain with us so that we can blame you entirely when it goes tits.
 
Are you deliberately ignoring the fact that the deficit has come down by 75%?

Some of you seem to think that "austerity" meant tea and cakes for all, and are somehow surprised that it's all been pretty unpleasant. What on earth did you expect??? Of course it meant our public services were going to be under great strain, and it's 100% predictable that people are after nearly 7 years pissed off with it. I'm pissed off with it, FFS. Everyone is. But not everyone thinks it's been, or is, unnecessary: Far from it.

(And what "housing is failing" means, or has to do with anything, god only knows. Housebuilders are hindered by planning restrictions more than anything else, and that's why Cameron has tried to lift them to enable more housing development to take place. But that's another story altogether.)

Do I think there would have been easing? Damned right. The objective of austerity is to get back into surplus, it's not an aim in itself. In the manifesto already was a pledge to put an extra £8bn in real terms into the NHS and to increase the numbers of medical students by another 1,500 per year, for example. The target to get the deficit down has been moved backwards in order to accommodate more spending and less tax increase.

If I am out of touch, mate. What does that make you??? You seem to be forgetting that a larger number of the electorate agreed with me, not with you.

So, let's see; if austerity has lessened the deficit by 75%, that means another 3-4 years take get it back to an even keel, PLUS whatever it supposed to be determined to be an acceptable 'surplus'.

Wait, but no, May and co have decided 'maybe we'll ease off a little to satisfy the nation'. Why, because the Tories are compassionate? No, cos they're told by the people, if you don't, you're out.

All this £8Bn in 'real terms' is a load of bollocks. It needs twice as much to ease the situation, but really needs £30Bn to help solve it. You won't get that through the dense matter up top.

Up the wages, tax a little more, if you're so scared of tackling big business. No, but big business are resisting paying more to its workers, so you think it's okay to squeeze the lower paid for even MORE of what they don't have!!

The fooking stupid thing is, if the lower end got paid more, it would kick start the economy and lead to this 'strong and stable economy' soundbite you're so brainwashed about! As you know, it would allow people to SPEND MORE and CONTRIBUTE MORE, which is what everyone wants!!

Keeping it as is, means the very rich hoard the money, which stagnates the flow of the economy!! There's your 'trickle down economics' in full working order, right there!

Weak pound, rising foods costs and a 2.9% four year high in inflation.

Go home! Turn on your TVs! Austerity is working! NOTHING TO SEE HERE! AUSTERITY IS WORKING!!

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The vote reflects people scared of change, not knowing whether something is in their interest, non voters stepping in and the young fighting for THEIR futures. You will see that this vote was more of a push than a kicking down of the door.
 
So, let's see; if austerity has lessened the deficit by 75%, that means another 3-4 years take get it back to an even keel, PLUS whatever it supposed to be determined to be an acceptable 'surplus'.

Wait, but no, May and co have decided 'maybe we'll ease off a little to satisfy the nation'. Why, because the Tories are compassionate? No, cos they're told by the people, if you don't, you're out.

All this £8Bn in 'real terms' is a load of bollocks. It needs twice as much to ease the situation, but really needs £30Bn to help solve it. You won't get that through the dense matter up top.

Up the wages, tax a little more, if you're so scared of tackling big business. No, but big business are resisting paying more to its workers, so you think it's okay to squeeze the lower paid for even MORE of what they don't have!!

The fooking stupid thing is, if the lower end got paid more, it would kick start the economy and lead to this 'strong and stable economy' soundbite you're so brainwashed about! As you know, it would allow people to SPEND MORE and CONTRIBUTE MORE, which is what everyone wants!!

Keeping it as is, means the very rich hoard the money, which stagnates the flow of the economy!! There's your 'trickle down economics' in full working order, right there!

Weak pound, rising foods costs and a 2.9% four year high in inflation.

Go home! Turn on your TVs! Austerity is working! NOTHING TO SEE HERE! AUSTERITY IS WORKING!!

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The vote reflects people scared of change, not knowing whether something is in their interest, non voters stepping in and the young fighting for THEIR futures. You will see that this vote was more of a push than a kicking down of the door.

So to summarise, he's both out of touch and watches too much TV?
 
John Major on World at One putting the boot in to the prospect of a Tory DUP deal, mainly because of it's destabilizing effect on the peace process but also because throwing money at NI will be resented elsewhere in the UK.
 
The mere fact that the Tories are trying to change their manifesto, shows they understand how far out of touch they are, like you.
Opposite of that. If they were so far out of touch then they wouldn't have realised it was shite.

The Tories changing the manifesto is good for both the public and the party.
 
Corbyn hit the sweet spot. Fatally damaging May and leaving the Tories to try make something out of the shit show that is the Brexit negotiations from a much weakened position. All Corbyn has to do is tend his allotment and take pot shots from the safety of the sidelines.
As @Damocles points out, it doesn't help those in need for the next few years does it. Sweet spot my arse. If he was PM you'd be effervescent with glee.
 
I think the logical mistake that I've made over the past few days is that they care.
Yeah I'm starting to see that. It makes some of the pre-vote histrionics about Tories being self serving a little hypocritical doesn't it.

Why was no one posting before the election that 'the best result' was to make the Tories lose a few seats and go into Brexit weakened and thus lose power in five years? The master plan only seems to have been thought up following the result.

And those poor people that will have to struggle on for the next five years? Fuck them. They are martyrs to greater ideological cause.
 
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