Post Match Thread: Election 2017

[Bigga]

Opposite of that. If they were so far out of touch then they wouldn't have realised it was shite.

The Tories changing the manifesto is good for both the public and the party.

WTF??

If they realised it was shit, why put it out in the FIRST place??

You're clutching at a lot of straws with that poor defence!!

 

[Ancient Citizen]

When JC was dating her, she was really very pretty.

Well, beauty is subjective to some degree, but I think you're being overly kind there, if I
may say so. I've checked on the youthful Ms Abbott and Beyonce or Halle Berry she isn't.
Mike Tyson however...

 

[Chippy_boy]

Completely irrespective of how I voted - this DUP deal has bad idea written all over it. It's only in consideration because May wants to hold onto power for herself and the Tories without putting it into question (the Tories could still form Govt if they didn't) and she's dragging the whole country down behind it.

The idea needs to be scrapped for the sake of everyone.

I think people should calm down and wait to see what's announced. If it is simply the DUP agreeing not to vote against the Queen's speech or other key votes, but goes short of any formal alliance (which I think is the likely outcome), then there's no need I think for people to be throwing their toys out of the cot.

Even Jerry Adams was moderate with his words, saying he didn't think that it would be good for Northen Ireland and that "any deal which undercuts the Good Friday agreement has to be opposed by progressives". You might reasonably have expected to be MUCH more vehement in his language if the worst fears of some on here are to be believed.

Let's wait and see what develops. If it truly is a dreadful deal, then perhaps the Queens speech will not be supported. We'll see.

 

[jay_mcfc]

There is. It was a big votie thing a week or so back.

And it doesn't matter what you think can and can't be allowed, the Queen's speech hasn't actually been voted on yet.

By allowed to continue? What are you suggesting? A coup?

There was a vote, of which a small majority of people voted for the Tories and the manifesto they proposed which already included policies with 8 u-turns. Now it seems they're tearing it up. And there's a big difference between an agreement/coalition with the SNP and one which could take NI back thirty years. For the record I never once complained about the Conservative and Lib Dem coalition.

 

[CitizenTID]

I think people should calm down and wait to see what's announced. If it is simply the DUP agreeing not to vote against the Queen's speech or other key votes, but goes short of any formal alliance (which I think is the likely outcome), then there's no need I think for people to be throwing their toys out of the cot.

Even Jerry Adams was moderate with his words, saying he didn't think that it would be good for Northen Ireland and that "any deal which undercuts the Good Friday agreement has to be opposed by progressives". You might reasonably have expected to be MUCH more vehement in his language if the worst fears of some on here are to be believed.

Let's wait and see what develops. If it truly is a dreadful deal, then perhaps the Queens speech will not be supported. We'll see.

Fair enough but I don't see what there is to negotiate if it's a matter of not voting against their speech. Any negotiation is a negotiation with unionists, if that excludes other NI parties, there is legal scope to scrutinise that with the GFA.

 

[jay_mcfc]

I think people should calm down and wait to see what's announced. If it is simply the DUP agreeing not to vote against the Queen's speech or other key votes, but goes short of any formal alliance (which I think is the likely outcome), then there's no need I think for people to be throwing their toys out of the cot.

Even Jerry Adams was moderate with his words, saying he didn't think that it would be good for Northen Ireland and that "any deal which undercuts the Good Friday agreement has to be opposed by progressives". You might reasonably have expected to be MUCH more vehement in his language if the worst fears of some on here are to be believed.

Let's wait and see what develops. If it truly is a dreadful deal, then perhaps the Queens speech will not be supported. We'll see.

Not to mention he said it would all end in tears. And now you have Ian Paisley Jnr sniggering that the future is orange. We will indeed wait to see what happens but people should be fearful of its potential and not forget that the peace process has always been brittle and there are dissidents on both sides that are prepared to go back to the old days. The political tension in Stormont over the past few months doesn't help things either.

 

[SWP's back]

WTF??

If they realised it was shit, why put it out in the FIRST place??

You're clutching at a lot of straws with that poor defence!!

Wtf indeed. I forgot you're not always sharp on the uptake.

The result of the campaign and the fact they let a 20 point gap disappear will have told them, for the avoidance of doubt, that the manifesto was shite.

I've not put up a defence of it or them there. I've simply said that if they've now realised their error then it will be good for both the public at large and the party itself.

Also, as you've been told before on here, CAPITALISING the off WORD here and there doesn't strengthen an argument, it does the opposite in fact.

 

[SWP's back]

There was a vote, of which a small majority of people voted for the Tories and the manifesto they proposed which already included policies with 8 u-turns. Now it seems they're tearing it up. And there's a big difference between an agreement/coalition with the SNP and one which could take NI back thirty years. For the record I never once complained about the Conservative and Lib Dem coalition.

They can do what they want at this point, they can implement Corbyn's manifesto if they do want.

The Queen's Speech will either be passed or it won't be. They will be allowed to do whatever they see fit so long as it's constitutional and legal. So far they haven't suggested anything that's not one of those things.

No amount of bitching on blue moon or wanky petitions will change what the are allowed to do.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Yeah I'm starting to see that. It makes some of the pre-vote histrionics about Tories being self serving a little hypocritical doesn't it.

Why was no one posting before the election that 'the best result' was to make the Tories lose a few seats and go into Brexit weakened and thus lose power in five years? The master plan only seems to have been thought up following the result.

And those poor people that will have to struggle on for the next five years? Fuck them. They are martyrs to greater ideological cause.

As Chippy pointed out, thanks to Corbyn, this result was a kick in the backside for Torys, if they manage to cling on to power they will have to reverse a lot of the austerity cuts and help the poor people - because if they dont they know the momentum is with Labour and will be out next election, which may be alot sooner than we all think.

 

[SWP's back]

As Chippy pointed out, thanks to Corbyn, this result was a kick in the backside for Torys, if they manage to cling on to power they will have to reverse a lot of the austerity cuts and help the poor people - because if they dont they know the momentum is with Labour and will be out next election, which may be alot sooner than we all think.

Which is the point I've just been making to Bigga.

But I still don't believe any labour supporters on here that say May winning was the perfect result for Corbyn.