Post Match Thread: Election 2017

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For me the issue is not so much whether the super rich pay their taxes or not. The big issue is whether they spend enough of their money.

If you redistributed all Branson's money to the poorest million in the country they would probably spend all of it. In pubs, shops, restaurants etc

This is good for the economy. Branson has so much money he can't spend even a fraction of it. The super rich stockpiling money is not good for the economy and this is why the sort of inequality we are seeing now is counterproductive.
 
Another problem with having an elite of mega rich individuals is that they create parallel economies. Theoretically a member of this elite could employ all the top medics in the world to solve the rare illness affecting his sick daughter. Which while understandable on his part is obviously not in the interests of society at large.
 
So, billionaires who happen to pay millions in tax are to be revered? The numbers don't even matter, it's relative. You hear this 'those with the broadest shoulders should take more of a hit' stuff a lot. Billionaires... billion.. aires. Are we so mind-fucked to believe that these people are doing us a favour? That everything would fall apart with them?

Who mentioned "revered" or "doing us a favour"?

One thing the Left never seem to comprehend is that wealth has to be created in order to fund their largesse. As always, they are fixated with redistributing what others earn. Tax, spend and regulate. Same old mantra.

Loose change in this case. Sugar's £58m cheque would have enabled Corbyn to write off a mere 2,148 students' fees.
 
Well she's so good that she's going into medical accademia in the long term, so yes, no private practice for her.
As an asside why can't doctors and surgeons do part time private practice?
They will have done at least 16 years hard labour working all hours learning to be a specialist doctor or specialist surgeon at a salary that is a pittance compared with their piers at university got in other fields in the the private sector.
Allowing consultants to do part time private work saves the NHS a fortune in paying the correct rate for the job.
It's a win win situation as far as I'm concerned which if changed would dramatically lower the standard of medical care in the NHS and/or dramatically increase medical salaries in the NHS.

It would be far more practical for a private firm to stump up for the years of training of whomever they employ from the NHS BACK to the NHS.

That way the system wouldn't be drained and/ or it would force the private firms to hire from abroad, themselves.

I think NHS should be specially protected in this manner.
 
It's interesting that you, SWP's Back and Gelson's Dad, all of who are telling me I'm talking rubbish, aren't resident in the UK and haven't been for a while. At this moment, there can't be any "centrist policies". Austerity hasn't worked, growth is slowing, public services have been cut, real wages are going down, etc. One party is promising more of the same to reduce the deficit and the other is promising a very radical left-wing agenda that they claim will eventually reduce the deficit but will raise taxes, inject vast amounts of money into the economy and (supposedly) vastly improve public services.

So UN that context, what is a "centrist policy"? It would have to be something like "Well we won't take any more money out of the NHS but we won't put any more in either". On Brexit it would have to be a very soft Brexit, which Labour & Lib Dems are promoting anyway.

I still maintain that while Corbyn ran a brilliant campaign, there are still too many people who are turned off by him. Another leader, one with less baggage, might well have won this election with the same policies in my opinion.

I don't recall even suggesting you were talking rubbish. We are clearly in politically turbulent times and the whole notion of what it takes to win has been turned on its head recently, even within the last few months.

I don't live there, as you pointed out. I will not presume to suggest you know nothing of what is happening in the United States when you discuss that issue. May we live in interesting times!
 
Seriously....the BBC? Maybe the Mail, or the Torygraph, but you're way off with the BBC.
I didn't write it so I didn't edit it. I think the BBC problem is that somehow it feels obliged to report uncritically what the Tory press is saying even when it's obviously not news but propaganda.
 
SDSR 2010 came about because of the need to update our security policy which had become a bit stale under Blair/Brown stewardship and also to address a £38 Billion overspend in the MOD budget; again under Blair/Brown.



Again, Blair and Brown. Going to war in Iraq (based on lies) wasn't in the least cheap but for some reason "Trust me Tony" wanted his war. Brown had the purse strings as chancellor when the MOD were pissing money up the wall.

LOCOG (London Organising Committee of the Olympic and Paralympic Games) signed the contract with G4S for the Olympics in London, 2012. The contract was signed by their Director of Security and Resilience Ian Johnson; Nothing at all to do with the Government initially until they had to step in and sort out the mess.

For "update security policy" read make drastic cuts. The biggest cuts to the armed forces have been under the Tories in the late 50s, mid 90s and since 2010. Now I expect a peace dividend from the end of the Cold War and I've got no problem with a policy of not always going to go looking for wars to fight but don't pretend that it's Labour governments who have "decimated" the armed forces.
 
It would be far more practical for a private firm to stump up for the years of training of whomever they employ from the NHS BACK to the NHS.
That way the system wouldn't be drained and/ or it would force the private firms to hire from abroad, themselves.
I think NHS should be specially protected in this manner.

Many hundreds will go and work abroad if that is the case. Hell the way Jeremy Hunt treated the Junior Doctors many are already considering just this.

Seriously though, do you have any idea how much work a junior doctor does? They put in extra hours to make sure patients get good treatment and treatment notes are written up for the next shift - well above and beyond what they should do by law. This article says it all though my daughter would say she does between 55 and 70 hours a week on average.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/hea...100-hour-weeks-despite-European-laws-BMA.html

And all this for a pretty poor salary for their qualifications and intelligence. All my daughter's piers have been on twice the Salary she's on for nigh on 8 years. It's clawed back a bit now she's a top grade registrar but it won't get any better till she's a consultant (though she will probably never earn as a consultant as she will go into teaching at med school).
 
LOCOG (London Organising Committee of the Olympic and Paralympic Games) signed the contract with G4S for the Olympics in London, 2012. The contract was signed by their Director of Security and Resilience Ian Johnson; Nothing at all to do with the Government initially until they had to step in and sort out the mess.
I'll give you that. Maybe I wasn't playing all the notes in the right order but there's no doubt about the ideology and its irrational belief that private is best.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2012/sep/06/home-secretary-police-outsourcing-g4s

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....s-fined-100-times-since-2010-prison-contracts

And in here the extent of Tory donor implications

https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/in_the...even-though-they-made-a-balls-of-the-Olympics
 
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Think someone should tell him the moment May resigns the Tories will probably choose another Conservative MP


Its sensible politics though, together with his insistence that he's prepared to deliver a Queen's Speech. He knows there's no chance that his Queen's Speech would pass but it keeps the momentum going.

I did read yesterday that a Tory/DUP alliance could be in contravention to the Good Friday Agreement. Allegedly the Tories and DUP have been in talks since the 2015 election, in case the Tories lost their majority due to by election defeats. You would think that during that time someone would have considered the legalities and other implications for the Good Friday Agreement. But what are the chances of a legal challenge?
 
More ideological purity tests from our Chief Inquisitor. Maybe I could put some sort of gold star on so that you and your lot will feel more at home?

And no, I don't want something "vaguely progressive to vote for". Yet again you've failed to understand the very simplistic thrust of the argument.

To help you understand, I've put together a picture for you.

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The one on the left is what I want to achieve again because unlike you I want to help people rather than toss myself off about how great all my policies that nobody cares about are. The one on the right is your "revolutionary victory" against the weakest Tory leader since, in fact I'm not sure if there's ever been a weaker Tory leader on the campaign trail.

Oh, and for the record, when YOUR side of the Party talks about "curing social inequality" what you actually mean is "taxing the middle and upper classes". Ensuring social justice in the same way that beheading all the nobles in France was "social justice". You don't give a shit about equality and you never have done, you're just jealous of rich people and have constructed an entire political position around it.

I'd quite like to enact policies that help people in my town and others like it. You're happy with just being what you think is "right" in opposition to literally the entire country.

And considering I'm having to read through your shit anyway - you're "starting to find policies with real teeth"? Far left socialists haven't been in power in 40 years, have you only just discovered that people might actually read the crap you produce and will judge you on it? Like the electorate did on Thursday night by the way where you lost an election by 60 seats.

Here's another difference between us - we live in a time of austerity and all of those social problems that you mentioned. And I'm the only actually fucking annoyed that we've lost an election. Which continuously begs the question; what exactly are you here for because you don't seem to care about those people? You're a brigade of pointless extremists who lost by a massive margin before and will now punish the very people that you claim to be wanting to help and sentence them to another decade or more of Tory rule, because not taxing the middle classes is so fucking unpalatable to you that you're willing to let working class people suffer and potentially die in order to not have to compromise it; so burning with hatred at their comparatively minuscule level of success in comparison to you.

Class warriors? With friends like you the disadvantaged in society don't need enemies.

The far left have been a joke in British politics for at least 40 years and remain so today. A few Remainers swinging your way in order to try and stop a potential economic disaster and a higher than expected young vote due to the growth of social media marketing nicked from Bernie Sanders has got your head right back in the clouds. You're political Scousers where your year will always be next year, your election always the next one or possibly the one after that, and a complete delusion to how much the country ridicules all of your pie in the sky policies.

New Labour won every general election it ever stood in. The moment Brown stepped away from it towards the left of the party, it all came crashing down. Then we went further left with Ed who also lost his election and have gone even further left with Corbyn who also lost his election. Outside of literally letting Big Len run or maybe having some sort of channeling session for Joseph Stalin, you're running out of left to go and you still haven't managed to win an election. The country does not buy what you are selling; it hasn't done in decades and it never will.
Outstanding post

Outs the ideological zealots for the divisive attitudes they have

I voted Tory this time but in the past have voted Labour when it has appeared 'balanced'.
 
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