Post Match Thread: Election 2017

[Gelsons Dad]

You will need a cross party consensus of what we want Brexit. I think the country voted no, to a hard Brexit. The final deal will now have to be voted on by a second referendum.

The country voted for brexit and corbyn has already accepted what that means so you are mistaken.

 

[Cheesy]

So, most RWNJ UKIP supporters actually turned out to be LWNJ's :-)

 

[bluemoonmatt]

corbyn saying they wish to form a minority government,can someone explain

to some extent he's surely kind of obliged to say something on these lines otherwise he's all but saying he concedes

 

[hilts]

You will need a cross party consensus of what we want from Brexit. I think the country voted no, to a hard Brexit. The final deal will now have to be voted on by a second referendum.

I don't see how you can come to that conclusion

 

[jonmcity]

The country voted for brexit and corbyn has already accepted what that mtioneans so you are mistaken.

This general election has defeated the hard brexit mandate. The outcome of any deal will now at least have to be voted on by parliament.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

What now for Ruth Davidson? If it wasn't for her we would now have a Labour/SNP/Lib dem/Green government.

Yes, that's a very good point, that results in Scotland have saved the Tories is nothing short of astonishing.

 

[pirate]

So, most RWNJ UKIP supporters actually turned out to be LWNJ's :-)

I dont think you can assign "nutjobs" to the right or the left.
they are political category all their own.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

Don't mind admitting I called that wrong. Didn't think you could buy so many student votes and the Tory manifesto + May was a disaster. But when you look at the vote share the tories didn't lose votes it was the appeal of labour that made the difference.

 

[argyle]

A great picture from last night

 

[Akiva]

What would the Tories have to do to scupper a deal with the DUP?

To scupper it? Insist on a hard brexit and a physical border between NI/ROI is about the only thing. The DUP will be desperate not to see Corbyn in power, given his long standing friendship with Sinn Fein/IRA and his seeming nonchalance over the Union.

It will be interesting to see whether the DUP's increased prominence and influence will compel Sinn Fein to take its seats in Westminster.

Mate, there's more chance of Phil Jones winning Ballon D'Or than Sinn Fein swearing loyalty to the Queen. They've already long since ruled it out.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

This general election has defeated the hard brexit mandate. The outcome of any deal will now at least have to be voted on by parliament.

Back that up with fact mate. Show me where that is stated?

 

[willipp]

Do people think May will go? She must be hanging on by the skin of her teeth if she stays. If she goes, what the hell will that mean?

 

[pirate]

Don't mind admitting I called that wrong. Didn't think you could buy so many student votes and the Tory manifesto + May was a disaster. But when you look at the vote share the tories didn't lose votes it was the appeal of labour that made the difference.

there was me thinking it was going to be magnanimous post, but you couldn't help having a dig could ya
in the same vain I am not really surprised that you could buy that many votes with tax cuts to the rich.

 

[Vic]

I was talking about the strength of our bargaining position fella, I'm not currently interested in the hard and soft bollocks

It's not bollocks just shorthand. Clear majority of MPs now against hard brexit so the weakness of the bargaining position means to continue May's table thumping approach to our European colleagues would be stupid.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

corbyn saying they wish to form a minority government,can someone explain

Constitutionally May gets first dibs.
If she finds her Queen's speech defeated then Labour are given the chance to form a govt and present a Queen's speech.
That will also be defeated and we'll have another election no sooner than 25 days afterwards.

 

[Len Rum]

And so once again the Tory party have plunged the country into another crisis.
Cameron caused the Brexit crisis by holding a referendum that was all about sorting out internal Tory party problems.
May called an election she didn't have to as a power grab for the Tories and an unstable government has resulted at a time when the country is to enter the Brexit negotiations.
Thank God we didn't elect Red Ed and get the chaos that Cameron warned us about.
The Tories always fcuking the country up.

 

[RandomJ]

A great picture from last night

And yet somehow May still looks the most out of place.

 

[Saddleworth2]

She isn't that popular. There was a coordinated effort from No voters in the Ref to vote Tory to orev


The vote up here was all about Indy 2. When the threat to have an independent Scotland is removed, which is now and most of them will vote labour..

There are a group what I call socialist monarchists, there is a sectarian aspect to this too. Corbyn speaking to the IRA, even though it helped get the agreement doesn't matter so that hardcore will never vote for him but a lot will.

I agree that Ruth has run a limited campaign on the back of no inderef2. I think you are understating her popularity though - she is pretty capable too. Without the independence debate, I think SNP support will continue to erode because of their poor record in Scotland on the basics of Health, Education and stimulating economic growth. That support will go to the Tories, Labour and SDP based on political affiliation.

 

[jonmcity]

Back that up with fact mate. Show me where that is stated?

Any hard brexit "no deal" will not be accepted by parliament. A vote of no confidence would end the government that tried to push it through.

 

[jonmcity]

It's not bollocks just shorthand. Clear majority of MPs now against hard brexit so the weakness of the bargaining position means to continue May's table thumping approach to our European colleagues would be stupid.

It was stupid in the first place.