Post Match Thread: Election 2017

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I think one thing that Corbyn has done (and I wasn't a big fan, despite being a Labour voter) is to reenergise the youth vote. Now, if he, or any future successor, can keep that going, then that spells bad news for the Tories. As the older element (likely mostly Tory voters) drop off one end of the electoral register, it could see them being replaced at the other end by mainly Labour supporters. In this scenario, the demographics look bad for the Tories. Have they got any politician, or indeed policies, that would be capable of wooing that reenergised youth vote? Bloody unlikely I'd have thought.
It also poses a dilemma for any future Labour leader. Do they stick with Corbyn's policies, and pick up the youth vote, or head back to a form of Blairism, which woos the middle classes, but loses the new young voters, who won't see much difference between them and the Tories?
We live in interesting times.
 
So what happens next.
My guess would be queens speech gets passed. Brexit negotiations start and then when everything is underway May steps down and a new Tory leader is elected. One of: David Davis, Bojo or a.n.other. It will be managed as an accession all agreed internally before it happens.
 
To those suggesting a new leader for the Tory party will emerge in the next few months I would ask you one question. If you were a candidate to be the leader of the party in power, in your own head or even with the support of colleagues would you want that before we go through Brexit? Whoever leads us into that is on a hiding to nothing from everyone who believes we should have done better and that will probably be 100% of us. Brexit is a nailed on end to a political career for any leader involved so why would you want to be in charge 2 years from now?
 
Castrogiovanni said:
I think one thing that Corbyn has done (and I wasn't a big fan, despite being a Labour voter) is to reenergise the youth vote. Now, if he, or any future successor, can keep that going, then that spells bad news for the Tories. As the older element (likely mostly Tory voters) drop off one end of the electoral register, it could see them being replaced at the other end by mainly Labour supporters. In this scenario, the demographics look bad for the Tories. Have they got any politician, or indeed policies, that would be capable of wooing that reenergised youth vote? Bloody unlikely I'd have thought.
It also poses a dilemma for any future Labour leader. Do they stick with Corbyn's policies, and pick up the youth vote, or head back to a form of Blairism, which woos the middle classes, but loses the new young voters, who won't see much difference between them and the Tories?
We live in interesting times.
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I'm strongly of the belief that the "Youth Vote" was enticed by 30 grand worth of tuition fees. Remember the LibDems did something similar which got them into the coalition only to back track. Pretty sure the Tories would mitigate against that next time with a sweetener of their own.

My daughter arrived this morning, she's second year uni and confirmed that it was the only topic on campus once announced.
 
Blue Llama said:
To those suggesting a new leader for the Tory party will emerge in the next few months I would ask you one question. If you were a candidate to be the leader of the party in power, in your own head or even with the support of colleagues would you want that before we go through Brexit? Whoever leads us into that is on a hiding to nothing from everyone who believes we should have done better and that will probably be 100% of us. Brexit is a nailed on end to a political career for any leader involved so why would you want to be in charge 2 years from now?
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Because 3 years after that the world may be a very different place.
 
We really are living in some bizarre alternate reality now... socialists living in million pound houses in Kensington voting Labour and ex miners living in £30k shit holes in Mansfield voting in the Tories.
 
Tory Bob Neill on Sky saying Corbyn is prepared to to a deal with a party who want to break up the UK. Labour have said every time from the beginning NO COALITION. Yet here the Tories are looking at their own coalition of chaos.

Compulsive liars.
 
A lot of Tory MPs unhappy about associating with the DUP a party whose candidates were endorsed by a loyalist umbrella group which represents the UDA.
Chief concern is that the DUP will extract concessions from May regarding local Northern Ireland issues which might just upset Sinn Fein a bit. This could destabilize the Nortern Ireland peace already under strain after Brexit and the collapse of the assembly a few months back.
PS they are also anti same sex marriage,anti abortion, formerly climate change deniers and pro creationists.
 
Very difficult for the Conservatives if they persevere but have to call a fresh election later this year. Similarly, if they appoint an other leader and then call an election. Not sure how forgiving the electorate would be if asked to go to the polls again.

Perhaps Brenda from Bristol should decide when the country is ready.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
would another election sort it out though. what happens if we end up with a similar vote ? the exact same problems would happen.
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Well she has put us in this position,i think another election would really focus all our minds and get a decisive result,as it is it's a mess,i should say i'm not as much into politics as most in here but i enjoy and learn from all posts
 
Len Rum said:
A lot of Tory MPs unhappy about associating with the DUP a party whose candidates were endorsed by a loyalist umbrella group which represents the UDA.
Chief concern is that the DUP will extract concessions from May regarding local Northern Ireland issues which might just upset Sinn Fein a bit. This could destabilize the Nortern Ireland peace already under strain after Brexit and the collapse of the assembly a few months back.
PS they are also anti same sex marriage,anti abortion, formerly climate change deniers and pro creationists.
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That's why surely Sinn Fein should be thinking about taking those seats up. It puts their united Ireland aims back if DUP gain a vice like grip on NI matters imo.
 
Len Rum said:
A lot of Tory MPs unhappy about associating with the DUP a party whose candidates were endorsed by a loyalist umbrella group which represents the UDA.
Chief concern is that the DUP will extract concessions from May regarding local Northern Ireland issues which might just upset Sinn Fein a bit. This could destabilize the Nortern Ireland peace already under strain after Brexit and the collapse of the assembly a few months back.
PS they are also anti same sex marriage,anti abortion, formerly climate change deniers and pro creationists.
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Yep. Quite funny, really. A party that is mostly stuck in the mid 20th century, being propped up by one that is still stuck in the late 17th!
 
The perfect fumble said:
So what? This is all noises off.

Politics is being re-set, from now on the opposition will be different from the government, not a mirror image of it. That's a good thing, otherwise it's Tweedledee or Tweedledum forever and people are sick of it.
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Something we agree on and probably the first time in this thread.

A different opposition is a must, otherwise there's no actual choice.
 
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