Post Match Thread: Election 2017

[The perfect fumble]

Just not enough to win an election.

Not this time.

 

[abu13]

One thing is for sure, May isn't going to go of her own accord. They are going to drag her out kicking and screaming.

surely even she knows that she can't survive this.

 

[kinkyisno.1]

So what happens next.
My guess would be queens speech gets passed. Brexit negotiations start and then when everything is underway May steps down and a new Tory leader is elected. One of: David Davis, Bojo or a.n.other. It will be managed as an accession all agreed internally before it happens.

Lets hope not.he was a so-called firm Brexiteer, but when it comes to it he is like the rest,a dithering waverer.

 

[CitizenTID]

Probably because Corbyn and the Labour party sounded like they were telling turkeys how good Christmas was going to be with all the presents, eating, drinking and generally having a fabulous time. But when the turkeys asked how all of this would be paid for there was no explanation.

There was, it was costed with a safety net!

 

[Indaparkside]

I think if someone stands up and tells the public they are going to deliver a whole load of things that cannot be delivered, it is the duty of the press to expose it as they see fit. They didn't seek to crucify him because they don't like his beard; it's because they think his policies are barmy. Should they say nothing in those circumstances? I cannot see a problem with saying it how you see it. And before anyone suggests they are in the Tories' pockets, they supported Blair well enough.[/QUOTE

Genuinely don't understand how anyone voted for Tory. Everything they've lied about the opposition doing, they are now doing. Everything they promise, they either fail or u-turn on.

Zero principles, full of lies.

Agreed this pact they want with the DUP does she have to put it to her party to agree, or can she just decide in other words if 10 MPs said fuck off I don't want this will she have the final say

 

[kinkyisno.1]

I'll tell you who won this election.

Our foxes.

:):):):)

 

[Blue Llama]

There was, it was costed with a safety net!

Rubbish every time he was asked he fudged the answer or mentioned a completely unworkable scheme to pay for it. A neutral third party organisation costed out the labour manifesto and said it had huge holes in its fiscal plans.

 

[Chippy_boy]

There was, it was costed with a safety net!

Sticking your finger in the air and making up numbers is not "costed". The projections were necessarily ludicrous. "Necessarily" because the circle of huge spending and 95% of the electorate no worse off, cannot be squared. It was a myth, requiring hopelessly optimistic estimates.

Anyway, it matters not. It's history; they didn't win.

 

[Gabriel]

Definitely not the party line.
They are rather unsavoury to my taste but they are Pro-brexit, soft irish border. And as it won't be a coalition they only need to vote to pass the queens speech and their job is essentially done.

Do they even have to do that? An abstention at the Queen's speech and budget would still suffice in a C&S agreement.

 

[Hart of the Matter]

This.

The electorate has been moving to the right for 40 years, to the point that the majority are essentially somewhere between Blair and Cameron, in terms of ideology. For a hard-left party to win, it needs the majority to be brought back to a left-centric position that they haven't had in decades. I don't think this is impossible, but I don't think it can be done quickly, or even over the course of a parliament or two. It would take a decade or more I think for the voting demographic to change sufficiently for Labour to win on their current ticket.

I was very much of this mind set and thought Corbyn was a busted flush. However what happened in the last week or so with his speeches and rallies, along with spending a lot of time with newly motivated youngsters (being an old timer) I have seen something new and vital emerging.
Old arguments about Trident, IRA etc is ancient history to a lot of the 'kids'. Ironically their political naivety means that basic values of fairness and hope resonate. Economic arguments of austerity have not delivered any economic improvements and debt (personal and national)is no longer a dirty word.
An election soon would instil a belief in youngsters that they can change the world and would pull in a lot more votes going forward. As an old timer I am comfortable with most of the manifesto and suspect its apeal is wider than most people except. I have turned from being a scepticle labour voter at this election into someone who will enthusiastically engage next time. I suspect the prospect that real change will now be seen as achievable will energise many more next time.

 

[Chippy_boy]

One thing is for sure, May isn't going to go of her own accord. They are going to drag her out kicking and screaming.

surely even she knows that she can't survive this.

I think she'll leave enthusiastically and at the soonest convenient opportunity. She didn't look to me like she actually wanted the job, when the going got tough.

 

[CitizenTID]

Why does May have her husband follow her round everywhere?

Is it bring your spouse to work day?

 

[Chippy_boy]

I was very much of this mind set and thought Corbyn was a busted flush. However what happened in the last week or so with his speeches and rallies, along with spending a lot of time with newly motivated youngsters (being an old timer) I have seen something new and vital emerging.
Old arguments about Trident, IRA etc is ancient history to a lot of the 'kids'. Ironically their political naivety means that basic values of fairness and hope resonate. Economic arguments of austerity have not delivered any economic improvements and debt (personal and national)is no longer a dirty word.
An election soon would instil a belief in youngsters that they can change the world and would pull in a lot more votes going forward. As an old timer I am comfortable with most of the manifesto and suspect its apeal is wider than most people except. I have turned from being a scepticle labour voter at this election into someone who will enthusiastically engage next time. I suspect the prospect that real change will now be seen as achievable will energise many more next time.

I suspect you are right, but equally I don't think the Tories will leave the door wide open like they did this time. I cannot see them running a campaign as inept as this one ever again. So Labour won't have to do "better", they will have do "dramatically better". And they already did pretty well. So dramatically improving on that will be very hard indeed. Unless they want offer to pay students to go to University and to reduce VAT to zero and a minimum wage of £20/h.

 

[Indaparkside]

Why does May have her husband follow her round everywhere?

Is it bring your spouse to work day?

So he can hold her cock in the back of the car

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Rubbish every time he was asked he fudged the answer or mentioned a completely unworkable scheme to pay for it. A neutral third party organisation costed out the labour manifesto and said it had huge holes in its fiscal plans.

He has done his job. It is the beginning of the end for May and, listening to Farage this afternoon, she might well have sunk Brexit. And no taxes have had to rise to pay for it....

 

[kinkyisno.1]

I think she'll leave enthusiastically and at the soonest convenient opportunity. She didn't look to me like she actually wanted the job, when the going got tough.

There will be yet another election only within the Tory party to elect a new leader.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

There was, it was costed with a safety net!

IFS disagree.

 

[kinkyisno.1]

He has done his job. It is the beginning of the end for May and, listening to Farage this afternoon, she might well have sunk Brexit. And no taxes have had to rise to pay for it....

Yes mate,she was a remainer anyway and imho i think the whole thing is rigged...we will end up with a 2nd ref vote. There has been so much crying,foot stamping and total media driven bullshit from the remoaners that it wouldnt suprise me one bit. Pathetic.

 

[law74]

He has done his job. It is the beginning of the end for May and, listening to Farage this afternoon, she might well have sunk Brexit. And no taxes have had to rise to pay for it....

He has also moved the discussion significantly back to the left, even blairites like Yvette Cooper as good as admitted such in her interview about 5:45 this morning

 

[abu13]

The whole situation now is a clusterfuck, why she called an election at this time I will never understand. Sure I get all the "needed a mandate" bolocks but fuck me she is poor. I put the Tory failings directly in her lap.