previous generation average loan was less than £15,000. the current generation are looking at £40,000
the generation before that had no loans at all.
your post makes no sense.
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previous generation average loan was less than £15,000. the current generation are looking at £40,000
the generation before that had no loans at all.
your post makes no sense.
as long as they trust the goverments for the next 45 years not to change the rules.
How has that worked out in the past?
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Have you seen the level of government debt and the way it keeps growing?
£1.8 Trillion and counting!
Incredible isnt it given the austerity this Tory government has heaped on those least able to afford it.
I wonder where the money is going?
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Stop exaggerating. When I went to uni you can get part time jobs and summer jobs you know to help pay your way? Or is it mandatory that taxpayers have to pay for everything Fees, digs, booze money, Sky tv?
I am not sure some of the courses really are innovative . We didn't get more mathematicians doctors and scientists , just more arts students and "modern courses. " like American studies and media studies.
Before you start I was born in moston and went to a shit school and got no help. Had to pay my way , fees were free but my lpc I had to pay the fees for as post grad. Funded through loans and now paid back as I thought it best that I didn't get my north Manchester mates who didn't go to university pay for me to have the privilege of the experience.
to be fair the tories did cut tax for some people, its just you had to be earning over £150,000 a year to benefit
we are all in it together apparantly
you didnt pay your way then did you, you didnt pay undergrad fees
no mainstream party is arguing for free postgrad courses
your posts are a mass of contradictions
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PannickAtTheDisco
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My other post made perfect sense. Expecting the middle generation(s) to pay for young and old to have fun for free is just discrimination. It's not a fair society.
RE: This post, so basically you're saying people can't trust the Government unless they give it away for free. Sums it up. All take, no personal responsibility.
"oh, I can't pay for my own education like everyone else, I have to be handed it on a plate because it's such a big number that I'll never pay-off unless I can afford to".
Just stinks.
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Interesting that the more educated you are, the more likely to vote Labour and the less educated you are, the more likely you are to vote Tory. Notice that the highest Labour voting bloc were those that have finished University and not those IN University. I'd argue that many people who went to Uni understand the social and economic good that it brings to the country as a whole and are willing to sacrifice a small amount of their taxes to ensure access to higher education is as low cost and free as possible.
Just shows that Labour voters liked dicking about at uni.
...That's a joke by the way
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Then I look forward to companies and businesses up and down the UK turning down govt grants. I don't see why I should fund their better future. Bunch of leeches sucking on the Govt teat. Sheesh - Tories subsidising their mates and yuking it up later over G&T's.
Interesting that the more educated you are, the more likely to vote Labour and the less educated you are, the more likely you are to vote Tory. Notice that the highest Labour voting bloc were those that have finished University and not those IN University. I'd argue that many people who went to Uni understand the social and economic good that it brings to the country as a whole and are willing to sacrifice a small amount of their taxes to ensure access to higher education is as low cost and free as possible.
In all seriousness though going to university doesn't mean you're more intelligent or informed. My mate doesn't vote and couldn't even tell you one difference between Corbyn and May, he got a 2:2 in events management. My housemate is slightly less knowledgeable than the rest of my mates and he went to university too.
I like to think of myself as more informed than both and I chose to leave education earlier as I got a good job offer.
I know the data is more in general terms but I don't think it says much.
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And the Tories threatening to take money off the 'wiser older generation', after years of every party bribing them, because they were the ones that voted, cost them the election.
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Yes of course I have seen the debt and applaud the government for trying and successfully reducing our yearly defecit. Please explain to me how spending more on public services will help to reduce that debt? Clearly it can't and won't.
How do you feel about labours manifesto that the national debt would increase significantly more under them than it would under the current government?
As I said - cake and eat it. You can't have it both ways?
"like everyone else" is bollocks
only those since 1998 have paid and only those since 2010 have paid at least £15,000 a year.
it unfair to ask the older generation to pay for themselves as they have already paid for the previous older generation and the current working generation (who did get the free uni paid for by the current older generation).
and the younger generation now have to pay for their own education and to look after the current working generation when they are old because there is a massive gap in pension funding.
the generation that became adults before 1998 are the selfish cunts if they dont want to fund the young and old, previous generations funded them and future generations will also fund them
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Didn't they get the largest vote of a Tory party since thatcher and the most votes and the most seats in the election despite the biggest blackmail of students ever and having to admit to the tough choices we face to get our economy back on track? Or am I missing something?
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They were probably about 20k at the end.
Anyway , in my day as has been pointed out tuition fees were free. It would be lovely if that was the case today but it isn't. It would be great if everyone in the country got lots of things for free and everything was a million times better than it is at the moment, but back in The real world there is a pot of money that gets dished out and I am not sure scrapping university fees now is the best use of that pot of money. There Are bigger priorities at the moment, like the nhs for example.
I don't hear about universities closing down because of a lack of students. There is still plenty of demand so it may be is working. Hey?
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I dont want it both ways.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...since-2010-under-george-osborne-a6947661.html
The truth would be nice?
PannickAtTheDisco
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so that's 20 years of people paying for themselves then, so that's enough for my assertion to be fair.
Anyone supporting free tuition from now on is just wilfully harming the generation who's already been hung out to dry, it's callous really.
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But you don't want cuts but you don't want more debt? Please explain? I don't see how you can have both. Your link is irrelevant.
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