The perfect fumble
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You just can't handle it can you. Please post some more, it's comedy gold :-)
I'll post some more if you promise to post less.
You just can't handle it can you. Please post some more, it's comedy gold :-)
I'll post some more if you promise to post less.
So many in here seem to believe that Labour under Corbyn is simply unelectable (which is code for they won't vote for him) therefore they believe Corbyn is allowing the Tories to do terrible things by dint of giving them a free run.
Most of the EU want it.Why is wanting a cap on immigration LOL - most of the country want it?
I've told you twice at least!
I've voted for Corbyn twice for leader and voted Lab twice for my MP in 2 years.
Corbyn is unelectable because he doesn't appeal to Middle England. Even in a referendum where Middle England voted Labour in order to get a sensible Brexit deal he still couldn't appeal to Middle England to turn Blue to Red.
This is the problem with you, Pole, Bigga and a few others. Everybody is an enemy. Tories are an enemy, Blairites are the enemy, Lib Dems are the enemy. Literally everybody who doesn't fit your exceedingly narrow political opinion is an enemy and a traitor and evil and doesn't give a shit about anyone. You guys are two steps away from strapping bombs to yourself so radicalized and full of hatred for other opinions you have become.
Politics IS compromise. That's how it works, that's how it runs, that how it operates when militants like you are back arguing on forums after elections and the business of running the country is in order. The Tories work with Labour hundreds of times a day in collaborative efforts either through Cross Party Commissions, enquiries, Minister shadowing, legislative Committees on each Bill, and a bunch of other stuff. They sit in the same "canteens" at the same tables talking to each other over lunch about the issues of the day.
Your view of how politics works is childish and not how legislative assemblies function to any degree at all. Your hyper partisanship is only fermented because you're a useful idiot to have when it comes to campaigning or raising funds. The rest of the time you're ignored not because the Government are some snobs who have forgotten their roots but because your opinions cannot be compromised, which makes you both unneeded because of your predictableness, and undesired because you're a roadblock to sensible compromise.
It's like you've never actually sat in meetings with people who don't agree with you. For all of the talk of humanity, many of your far left persuasion seen to lack a basic grasp of it.
I've voted for Corbyn twice for leader and voted Lab twice for my MP in 2 years.
Corbyn is unelectable because he doesn't appeal to Middle England. Even in a referendum where Middle England voted Labour in order to get a sensible Brexit deal he still couldn't appeal to Middle England to turn Blue to Red.
This is the problem with you, Pole, Bigga and a few others. Everybody is an enemy. Tories are an enemy, Blairites are the enemy, Lib Dems are the enemy. Literally everybody who doesn't fit your exceedingly narrow political opinion is an enemy and a traitor and evil and doesn't give a shit about anyone. You guys are two steps away from strapping bombs to yourself so radicalized and full of hatred for other opinions you have become.
Politics IS compromise. That's how it works, that's how it runs, that how it operates when militants like you are back arguing on forums after elections and the business of running the country is in order. The Tories work with Labour hundreds of times a day in collaborative efforts either through Cross Party Commissions, enquiries, Minister shadowing, legislative Committees on each Bill, and a bunch of other stuff. They sit in the same "canteens" at the same tables talking to each other over lunch about the issues of the day.
Your view of how politics works is childish and not how legislative assemblies function to any degree at all. Your hyper partisanship is only fermented because you're a useful idiot to have when it comes to campaigning or raising funds. The rest of the time you're ignored not because the Government are some snobs who have forgotten their roots but because your opinions cannot be compromised, which makes you both unneeded because of your predictableness, and undesired because you're a roadblock to sensible compromise.
It's like you've never actually sat in meetings with people who don't agree with you. For all of the talk of humanity, many of your far left persuasion seen to lack a basic grasp of it.
I've told you twice at least!
you really havent
i have just read all your posts again
you have talked about transitioning to higher paid jobs where possible a number of times, but you havent addressed what happens to the 2.5 million who do low paid jobs that will continue to be low paid jobs
Two:2. Pay people less and compensate them with government benefits, i.e. supplement their income. Essentially the current scenario.
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There will always be a need for some unskilled work for those who cannot transition, and for those people and for those I think the least worst option is No. 2 above.
To recap, my position is this:
Having ruled out 1,2 and 3 as being unworkable, the least worse option is to help the poorest with in work benefits. I can see no better alternative, but if you have one, I am all ears.
Yes, I get it, you repeat it over and over again, you want to vote for something vaguely progressive and you're pissed off Labour won't serve it up for you, you keep banging on about how if only we could find Blair Mark 2 then we could take the country by storm, but where is your evidence for that? 1997?
My god you're hard work ;-)
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I've replied to you directly, answering your specific question!