This is *precisely* my point.
This is what the leftist Labour movement is all about, seeking a return to the days of strikes and demonstrations. There's many disgruntled people there for sure, but there's also many who are hobby protesters. They get off on it.
Because nurses 'get off' on strikes, Mr (C)Hunt is willing to bend a touch or maybe he's considering the difficult circumstances of late, maybe?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...l-after-7-years-of-cuts-furious-a7793036.html
Who the fook knows? Cos according to you, nobody deserves paying for important roles in our society.
I said:here's many disgruntled people there for sure
I've never said:nobody deserves paying for important roles in our society.
Changing the subject a little, has anyone on the thread raising the question of possible Russian interference in our general election? I've no idea whether there was any, but we remain an infuential nation if not the great one we once were. And it would sure suit Corbyn if we were ruled by a Labour government with a anti-nuclear, weak leader unwilling to stand up to any foreign transgressions. And then you have the masses of social media activity, heavily favouring a Corbyn narrative.
It does make me wonder.
What a silly post.
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I was struck yesterday by the angry crowds outside Grenfell Tower, and I wondered just how many of them have had any actual involvement?
If you think the text you quoted was an attempt at point scoring, then no, none.You would have been hard pressed to find a crowd of Conservative councillors and ministers so someone had to give a fuck!
No what i have just said is crass and pointless political point scoring, something we just dont want on here at the moment and its something i know you have been asked to steer away from.
Any chance?
Changing the subject a little, has anyone on the thread raising the question of possible Russian interference in our general election? I've no idea whether there was any, but we remain an infuential nation if not the great one we once were. And it would sure suit Corbyn if we were ruled by a Labour government with a anti-nuclear, weak leader unwilling to stand up to any foreign transgressions. And then you have the masses of social media activity, heavily favouring a Corbyn narrative.
It does make me wonder.
If you think the text you quoted was an attempt at point scoring, then no, none.
May's dreadfully robotic performances have continued now into the Grenfell Tower disaster. There are a lot of angry people out there who feel they have been ignored in one of the richest borough's in the country. Tonight is going to be very warm and light deep into the night hours and my fear is that we will see some proper riots. The weather and mood are so reminiscent of the last lot of rioting we had.
Fucking shameful doing a deal with those cunts.Can see things getting very messy with dup and sein fein in coming weeks. Very interesting times.
It'll take one idiot with one bullet or one stone even, to take us back into the last century.Can see things getting very messy with dup and sein fein in coming weeks. Very interesting times.
I don't. I simply suggest that for those people who don't earn enough to manage, then as a decent society we need to give them some state support. Employers should pay what they feel is appropriate to attract the numbers and quality of staff they need. If they need 4 employees and offer £8/h and get 4 takers, fine. If they only get 3 takers, perhaps they'd need to offer £8.50
And we pick up the tab for people who cannot manage. It's as simple as that.
It's not ideal, but as I *keep* saying, I can think of no alternative that actually works. Forcing Mike Ashley - or whoever to pay £x per hour - will not work. It's ok in the margins, with a little increase here or there, but slap big fat increases on, and he'll lay people off. Necessarily, to stay in business.
But surely then that should mean higher taxes. They can't expect to have the government top up wages and still expect to pay low taxes as well. They're trying to have their cake and eat it and unfortunately, the cake they are trying to eat is the cake that is taken off the poor and needy in the name of austerity.but if the government support the poeple he employs on low pay he will always get takers for his jobs because they know they will be topped up by the government.
i dont see that being sustainable in the long term.
those that compete with mike ashley will be at a disadvantage if they pay higher wages so they will be forced to pay lower wages and the government will have to support them. And on and on and on.
But surely then that should mean higher taxes. They can't expect to have the government top up wages and still expect to pay low taxes as well. They're trying to have their cake and eat it and unfortunately, the cake they are trying to eat is the cake that is taken off the poor and needy in the name of austerity.
This is *precisely* my point.
This is what the leftist Labour movement is all about, seeking a return to the days of strikes and demonstrations. There's many disgruntled people there for sure, but there's also many who are hobby protesters. They get off on it.
I was struck yesterday by the angry crowds outside Grenfell Tower, and I wondered just how many of them have had any actual involvement? And how big the crowd would have been had Labour won the election (i.e. how much smaller would it have been). Half these people are simply protesters, of whatever they can find to protest about it. They love it.
We've enjoyed decades of relative growth and prosperity and they've hated every moment of it. Now we've been going through difficult times and they are happy again.
For the lefties driving the agenda in the Labour movement right now, it's not very little to do with helping poor people and EVERYTHING to do with power. They sense an opportunity to mobilise public opinion and to gain power. That's what's driving this.
Ballad of a thin man.Oh by the way.
The far left:
"Labour was overtaken by Blairites and wasn't real Labour!"
Also the far left:
"The guy who rebelled against the Labour Party more times than any Labour MP in history perfectly represents the Labour Party".
I guess what you need to do to be proper Labour in their eyes is constantly vote against the Labour Party. Somehow.