Predator drones

[Latics Fan SJK]

I can't believe I didn't check into this thread earlier.

Some right nonsense from one side.

 

[MadchesterCity]

CTID

 

[Plaything of the gods]

I wonder what the view of those who are arguing so vehemently against the killing of children is on abortion?

Or the murder of Palestinian kids by your glorious IDF. Reminds me of when I emailed the Israeli embassy about the breaking of Palestinians' bones by the IDF. The embassy, to give them their due, did reply but they tried to fog the argument by saying "well what about the abuses the British army meted out in Northern Ireland." This is the tactic these Zionists always use. It doesn't wash PB. One 'wrong' can't be used as a defence to justify another.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I wonder what the view of those who are arguing so vehemently against the killing of children is on abortion?

Or the murder of Palestinian kids by your glorious IDF. Reminds me of when I emailed the Israeli embassy about the breaking of Palestinians' bones by the IDF. The embassy, to give them their due, did reply but they tried to fog the argument by saying "well what about the abuses the British army meted out in Northern Ireland." This is the tactic these Zionists always use. It doesn't wash PB. One 'wrong' can't be used as a defence to justify another.

So you're pro-abortion then.

 

[Plaything of the gods]

I wonder what the view of those who are arguing so vehemently against the killing of children is on abortion?

Or the murder of Palestinian kids by your glorious IDF. Reminds me of when I emailed the Israeli embassy about the breaking of Palestinians' bones by the IDF. The embassy, to give them their due, did reply but they tried to fog the argument by saying "well what about the abuses the British army meted out in Northern Ireland." This is the tactic these Zionists always use. It doesn't wash PB. One 'wrong' can't be used as a defence to justify another.

So you're pro-abortion then.

Fog

 

[Chris in London]

I wonder what the view of those who are arguing so vehemently against the killing of children is on abortion?

Or the murder of Palestinian kids by your glorious IDF. Reminds me of when I emailed the Israeli embassy about the breaking of Palestinians' bones by the IDF. The embassy, to give them their due, did reply but they tried to fog the argument by saying "well what about the abuses the British army meted out in Northern Ireland." This is the tactic these Zionists always use. It doesn't wash PB. One 'wrong' can't be used as a defence to justify another.

A wise politician from Northern Ireland (conspicuous for that characteristic alone) once said that Northern Ireland was the birthplace of 'whataboutery', namely the art of deflecting criticism of the conduct of your own side by criticising the other: as in 'yes Eniskillen was very wrong, but what about Bloody Sunday' (example made up to illustrate the point). He was wrong about the birthplace even if 'whataboutery' is instantly recognisable. You actually find comparable conduct to whataboutery in pretty much any sphere of human activity in which there is some degree of foul play on both sides.

Whatever the rights and wrongs of the Arab/Israeli divide it is scarcely fair to single out "the Zionists" for doing what everybody else does, at least in this context.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Or the murder of Palestinian kids by your glorious IDF. Reminds me of when I emailed the Israeli embassy about the breaking of Palestinians' bones by the IDF. The embassy, to give them their due, did reply but they tried to fog the argument by saying "well what about the abuses the British army meted out in Northern Ireland." This is the tactic these Zionists always use. It doesn't wash PB. One 'wrong' can't be used as a defence to justify another.

So you're pro-abortion then.

Fog

That damn predictive text. How did it get from "Yes" to "Fog". Your point, as Chris says, is a complete non-sequitur and you've done exactly what you accuse the "Zionists" (I think you meant Jews) of.

So let's get back on track. It's actually called moral ambivalence and most of the others saw the trap but were wise enough not to fall into it. Now I don't want any children anywhere to die for any reason whatsoever but I am pro-abortion in certain circumstances. Therefore I'm implicitly in favour of the legitimised murder of children and that's not something I like but it's a by-product of my pro-abortion stance. For the sake of intellectual clarity, I'm not using that to justify the deaths of children in drone attacks but to point out that the people who are accusing me of doing so probably share the same morally ambivalent attitude to abortion.

If you're going to make grand statements about anything then you have to make sure that every other opinion you hold is morally consistent with that or you run the risk of tripping yourself up.

And finally, to make my position on the use of drones clear, I generally support the policy of the Bush administration that involved targetted use against known individuals who were deemed to present a wider danger, where that can be done with minimal risk to pure civilians. I do not believe their wider use by the Obama administration against more generic targets is remotely useful.

 

[BulgarianPride]

So you're pro-abortion then.

Fog

That damn predictive text. How did it get from "Yes" to "Fog". Your point, as Chris says, is a complete non-sequitur and you've done exactly what you accuse the "Zionists" (I think you meant Jews) of.

So let's get back on track. It's actually called moral ambivalence and most of the others saw the trap but were wise enough not to fall into it. Now I don't want any children anywhere to die for any reason whatsoever but I am pro-abortion in certain circumstances. Therefore I'm implicitly in favour of the legitimised murder of children and that's not something I like but it's a by-product of my pro-abortion stance. For the sake of intellectual clarity, I'm not using that to justify the deaths of children in drone attacks but to point out that the people who are accusing me of doing so probably share the same morally ambivalent attitude to abortion.

If you're going to make grand statements about anything then you have to make sure that every other opinion you hold is morally consistent with that or you run the risk of tripping yourself up.

And finally, to make my position on the use of drones clear, I generally support the policy of the Bush administration that involved targetted use against known individuals who were deemed to present a wider danger, where that can be done with minimal risk to pure civilians. I do not believe their wider use by the Obama administration against more generic targets is remotely useful.

So Obama now decides who gets an abortion?

 

[Unknown_Genius]

And they gave that guy a nobel peace prize....

Henry Kissinger takes the biscuit when it comes to winning the Nobel Peace prize.

 

[Skashion]

Whatever the rights and wrongs of the Arab/Israeli divide it is scarcely fair to single out "the Zionists" for doing what everybody else does, at least in this context.

The Palestinians don't occupy Israel. There is no whataboutery here. The Palestinians are occupied. The Israelis are not.