President Joe Biden

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

I actually think he made some poor decisions in terms of re - election during the campaign.

The first debate for example he did himself no favours even with some of his base.

His attempt to prosecute the positive was ordinary.

Rambling on and attacking a bloke when it would have been better to see how Joe was without constant interruption.

ok with self - promotion as you say to a point but politics I don't think he plays that game that well.

he doesn't know when to be diplomatic and has some deficiencies in being across some briefs.

Anyway his days in Washington DC are over.

I think - and hope - that you are correct. At the same time, Trump has complete control of the Republican party. Several missteps or perhaps the outcome of random chance may well - unfortunately - propel Trump into a position of popularity sufficient to win the next Presidential election.

Biden's election victory was - after all - extremely close in the swing states. Just by chance though - a Covid pandemic swept the nation prior to election. By chance the pandemic preceded the election by nine or so months - enough time to affect the economy and frustrate Americans. By chance, Trump's handling of the pandemic was obviously inept.

Given all of this - a pandemic affecting the entire nation with obviously poor management by the President - a collapsing economy - and ever increasing resentment to social distancing and other measures necessary to limit the effects of Covid - again... given all of this... it was barely enough to see Biden elected President because - in the swing states .

Should Covid not have occurred, should the economy not have collapsed, should the pandemic have occurred much closer to the election, and most of all, should Trump have taken science-based actions to stop the spread of Covid-19 - should any of these events - some improbable, some less so - again... should any of these events not have occured... Trump would (almost certainly) now be in his second term.

In this vein - do not count out a series of unexpected events which might propel a Trump candidacy to success in 2024.

On the other hand, Trump has steered so very close to obviously breaking the law that the multiple and various civil and criminal cases against him will - in spite of anything else - likely derail the prospects for a 2024 Trump presidential run.

Me? I don't know (obviously) what the future holds - I think, though, that a criminal case against Trump - whether he prevails or not - may derail his 2024 ambitions.

Another variable reported in the press... Trump has a massive amount of debt coming due. By all accounts he will not be able to pay his creditors. If Trump's creditors decide to force Trump into bankruptcy (this might not be a good idea if you want to get your money back), that will almost certainly draw a close to Trump's political future.

 

[mancity1]

I think - and hope - that you are correct. At the same time, Trump has complete control of the Republican party. Several missteps or perhaps the outcome of random chance may well - unfortunately - propel Trump into a position of popularity sufficient to win the next Presidential election.

Biden's election victory was - after all - extremely close in the swing states. Just by chance though - a Covid pandemic swept the nation prior to election. By chance the pandemic preceded the election by nine or so months - enough time to affect the economy and frustrate Americans. By ineptitude, Trump's handling of the pandemic was obviously inept.

Given all of this - a pandemic affecting the entire nation with obviously poor management by the President - a collapsing economy - and ever increasing resentment to social distancing and other measures necessary to limit the effects of Covid - again... given all of this... it was barely enough to see Biden elected President because - in the swing states - should Covid not have occurred, should the economy not have collapsed, should the pandemic occurred much closer to the election, and most of all, should Trump have taken science-based actions to stop the spread of Covid-19 - should any of these improbable events not occured... Trump would now be in his second term.

In this vein - do not count out a series of unexpected events which might propel a Trump candidacy to success in 2024.

On the other hand, Trump has steered so very close to obviously breaking the law that the multiple and various civil and criminal cases against him will - in spite of anything else - likely derail the prospects for a 2024 Trump presidential run.

Me? I don't know (obviously) what the future holds - I think, though, that a criminal case against Trump - whether he prevails or not - may derail his 2024 ambitions.

Another variable reported in the press... Trump has a massive amount of debt coming due. By all accounts he will not be able to pay his creditors. If Trump's creditors decide to force Trump into bankruptcy (this might not be a good idea if you want to get your money back), that will almost certainly draw a close to Trump's political future.

The Republican Party is skewed to Trump but I don't believe he has complete control as you allude to.

As bizarre as is sounds and as unconventional he is he would be better to galvanise his base with a new party but money would be the problem.

One thing that goes for and against him is people have short memories these days no one subject other than your own personal welfare and jobs has any lasting impact the rest while peaking etc is just white noise.

As you say had the pandemic not arrived when it did its feasible that Trump might have kept enough of the swing states to get over the line. and despite this 74 million still placed him first on the card.

Moral issues don't mean much anymore , I really don't think you can win an election on climate change and net zero by 2050 etc for example , the average voter just doesn't relate to it.

In Australia its election suicide to make a case on such issues its about the economy , jobs , health , education , security ( ever increasing concern for the voter ) , public safety usually around that order.

the moral fibre of the candidate also is essentially irrelevant.

I am very confident we have seen the last of him as far as running for president is concerned however time will tell but he will be 78 and health in the family is not the best for longevity.

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

>> he Republican Party is skewed to Trump but I don't believe he has complete control as you allude to.
At present, I think that Trump does, more or less, have complete control of the Republican party. Almost no Republican congressman/senator dares to oppose Trump in public such is his popularity among his base. And Trump is in the midst of a hostile takeover of Republican funding - he's publically asked that Republicans contribute to his own PAC instead of to the Republican party and he's filed suit against the Republican party demanding that they stop using his name and image.

Will Trump run in 4 years? - I rather doubt it in spite of the above for reasons previously stated. And, as he will be 78 years old in 2024, it's very possible that health issues will derail his candidacy.

 

[mancity1]

>> he Republican Party is skewed to Trump but I don't believe he has complete control as you allude to.
At present, I think that Trump does, more or less, have complete control of the Republican party. Almost no Republican congressman/senator dares to oppose Trump in public such is his popularity among his base. And Trump is in the midst of a hostile takeover of Republican funding - he's publically asked that Republicans contribute to his own PAC instead of to the Republican party and he's filed suit against the Republican party demanding that they stop using his name and image.

Will Trump run in 4 years? - I rather doubt it in spite of the above for reasons previously stated. And, as he will be 78 years old in 2024, it's very possible that health issues will derail his candidacy.

I concur with your last sentence and in terms of the narrative the media and Biden Administration would be wise to mention Trump as little as possible in their agenda if not at all preferably.

the emerging southern border crisis ( 18 thousand children if the figures the press are reporting to be believed ) is the current administrations major first domestic challenge along with the vaccine rollout and ensuring the stimulus package is well targeted and schools and businesses that were closed that have not gone under begin to reopen.

The challenge of China and their growing influence in the Pacific is the big one and the no bars hold response from the SOS ( pardon the acronym ) and other senior officials was encouraging in Anchorage.

The administration has to be tough on China even tougher than the previous one and the early signs are good on that score.

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

The Republican Party is skewed to Trump but I don't believe he has complete control as you allude to.

Nonsense. Everything demonstrates that he has. Republicans in both houses of congress are fearful of alienating their voters by being perceived as doing anything that is not wholly Pro-Trump. This means he maintains his control of the party, and he knows it too. Look at how he revelled in Kevin McCarthy crawling to him

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Nonsense. Everything demonstrates that he has. Republicans in both houses of congress are fearful of alienating their voters by being perceived as doing anything that is not wholly Pro-Trump. This means he maintains his control of the party, and he knows it too. Look at how he revelled in Kevin McCarthy crawling to him

I don't think his control is active, but passive. As he begins to have to fight off criminal charges and lawsuits more regularly, his time and ability to actively be involved in the party will diminish, as it already has since he was removed from office. He won't be re-platformed by traditional internet media content distribution behemoths either. Eventually he'll die . . . but I think you're right that he will continue to passively control the party from beyond the office (and eventually the grave) in that no present congressional Republican will risk being primaried if there's a threat of such by standing against him or what voters perceive would have been him.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Biden's 3 stumbles going up the steps onto Air Force One were a bit of a worry.
Still he said he would be a team presidency and Trump was a fecking disaster so a anything is better than him, even if Biden is losing his marbles.

 

[west didsblue]

Biden's 3 stumbles going up the steps onto Air Force One were a bit of a worry.
Still he said he would be a team presidency and Trump was a fecking disaster so a anything is better than him even if Biden is losing his marbles.

Stumbling on aircraft steps isn't really a sign of losing marbles though. I'd rather wait and see if he starts prattling on about injecting bleach, sticking high energy lightbulbs up his arse or calling war heroes losers before making that judgment.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Stumbling on aircraft steps isn't really a sign of losing marbles though. I'd rather wait and see if he starts prattling on about injecting bleach, sticking high energy lightbulbs up his arse or calling war heroes losers before making that judgment.

1 stumble no, maybe not 2 but 3 shows a physical issue of some sort.
Also his total absence from press conferences is a problem. What does he have to hide?

 

[aguero93:20]

1 stumble no, maybe not 2 but 3 shows a physical issue of some sort.
Also his total absence from press conferences is a problem. What does he have to hide?

Possibly the greatest American president of the 20th Century and the man who got them out of the great depression and through World War 2 would have had far greater problems getting up those steps.