President Joe Biden

Bigga said:
I see difficulty in processing facts prevails.

The world is full 'dumbfucks' who have to wait cap in hand to be seen as deserving of the title 'Dignified Human Being'.

You're, probably, not a 'racist', but firmly believe in 'incrementalism' (which you've shown) and don't believe in reparations for ADOS.

Those thoughts would be polar opposite.

Same as believing in 'incrementalism' and okay with with billionaires getting away with non paying of taxes.

Opposites.

You've revealed yourself to be quite the fool as your last response, embarrassingly, shows.

One more 'logical' WML shredded.

Next...
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A typically aggressive response from you and lucky I didn’t read it before turning my lights out last night or no doubt I’d have woken in pieces all over the bed.

You’ve done what you always do and made assumptions about my thinking to support your view. I have offered no opinion on reparations for ADOS and so you assume I don’t believe in it. My reading this morning suggests it’s a divisive subject even amongst black Americans. You’ll have more knowledge of this subject than me but in acknowledging the wealth gaps that affect black Americans why would advocating for only a specific part of that population be right? I don’t have answers to that.

Inequality and poverty and lack of opportunity is endemic in western societies and doesn’t only affect black populations although I’d accept that they are disproportionately so.

It shouldn’t need saying that I don’t support billionaires getting away with not paying taxes which you seem to be suggesting and this isn’t a logical conclusion about someone who favours incrementalism over storming the seats of power and demanding radical change, dumbfuck thinking indeed.

Very fucking graceful of you to conclude I’m probably not a racist, as for your other insults, it’s what you do. Call me what you want and continue shouting from the rooftops to an ever dwindling audience. You’re something of a bully Bigga and yet on some threads we have found ourselves in agreement. I’ll probably foolishly continue to try and engage with you while knowing that you have no interest in civil debate with anyone that holds a different view to you, you just want to be right and dismiss everyone else as your fabled WMLs.

Have a nice day fella, enjoy the match if you’re going and try not being angry all day
 
journolud said:
A typically aggressive response from you and lucky I didn’t read it before turning my lights out last night or no doubt I’d have woken in pieces all over the bed.

You’ve done what you always do and made assumptions about my thinking to support your view. I have offered no opinion on reparations for ADOS and so you assume I don’t believe in it. My reading this morning suggests it’s a divisive subject even amongst black Americans. You’ll have more knowledge of this subject than me but in acknowledging the wealth gaps that affect black Americans why would advocating for only a specific part of that population be right? I don’t have answers to that.

Inequality and poverty and lack of opportunity is endemic in western societies and doesn’t only affect black populations although I’d accept that they are disproportionately so.

It shouldn’t need saying that I don’t support billionaires getting away with not paying taxes which you seem to be suggesting and this isn’t a logical conclusion about someone who favours incrementalism over storming the seats of power and demanding radical change, dumbfuck thinking indeed.

Very fucking graceful of you to conclude I’m probably not a racist, as for your other insults, it’s what you do. Call me what you want and continue shouting from the rooftops to an ever dwindling audience. You’re something of a bully Bigga and yet on some threads we have found ourselves in agreement. I’ll probably foolishly continue to try and engage with you while knowing that you have no interest in civil debate with anyone that holds a different view to you, you just want to be right and dismiss everyone else as your fabled WMLs.

Have a nice day fella, enjoy the match if you’re going and try not being angry all day
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See, the problem with posters like yourself, the WML, is that yes, we're going to agree at some points, much like I do with other points of view with even with those I dislike immensely.

I don't happen to dislike you, but I find you highly ignorant in times like this.

You say I have an 'ever dwindling audience' and think I'm a 'bully', cool. I'm actually not bothered as long as I'm true to myself and that 'audience' cannot handle a brutal PoV of honesty and, therefore, find me abrasive.

It just shows me that WML-ism is a greater ingrained issue than I thought. Without the ability to separate and dissect the issues, even individually rather than a whole plight, and come from another perspective, you 'allow' and therefore 'support' the slow squeezing of any power for change and equality from the working class, Black, Brown and indigenous people in any western society.

I challenged your thinking of what you seemingly support and what you seemingly don't and you got upset at me pitching at you the stark reality of coming from a position of privilege/ ignorance as you're not affected in the way your fellow Human is, rendering you in the Dr King category of the 'Well Meaning Liberal'.

You have this 'groupthink' along with the others on these boards that continue to attack the rare posters, like me, on 'cakeism'. Whilst we have this 'follow the money' attitude to seeing tax money being given out like free sweets to all kind of ventures whilst leaving your fellow Humans to suffer as you watch them.

And what problem solving solution have any of you come up with besides voting certain people out? You mean the firebrands that extinguish themselves once in the circle and the voters realise they were lied to? Marvin Gaye sang about it 50 years ago, so this isn't even a recent problem your type of thinking.

I, also, note you think I'm 'angry'. Did I use expletives in talking to or about you? I don't think so or I don't recall that, so you can feel 'offended' all you like, but you should know that position is disingenuous, but it's yours to cling to.

No worries.

I just wanted you to see without bias and, obviously, you prefer the pitter pattering of talking around the issues and don't like it raw and sudden when someone is fed up with lack of change. I used to do groupthink before I realised any small change is always swallowed up by something truly problematic and that's the 'incrementalism' problem in a nutshell, isn't it?

TL;DR as it's a long detailed response? Cool.

Have a great day, Blue.
 
Bigga said:
See, the problem with posters like yourself, the WML, is that yes, we're going to agree at some points, much like I do with other points of view with even with those I dislike immensely.

I don't happen to dislike you, but I find you highly ignorant in times like this.

You say I have an 'ever dwindling audience' and think I'm a 'bully', cool. I'm actually not bothered as long as I'm true to myself and that 'audience' cannot handle a brutal PoV of honesty and, therefore, find me abrasive.

It just shows me that WML-ism is a greater ingrained issue than I thought. Without the ability to separate and dissect the issues, even individually rather than a whole plight, and come from another perspective, you 'allow' and therefore 'support' the slow squeezing of any power for change and equality from the working class, Black, Brown and indigenous people in any western society.

I challenged your thinking of what you seemingly support and what you seemingly don't and you got upset at me pitching at you the stark reality of coming from a position of privilege/ ignorance as you're not affected in the way your fellow Human is, rendering you in the Dr King category of the 'Well Meaning Liberal'.

You have this 'groupthink' along with the others on these boards that continue to attack the rare posters, like me, on 'cakeism'. Whilst we have this 'follow the money' attitude to seeing tax money being given out like free sweets to all kind of ventures whilst leaving your fellow Humans to suffer as you watch them.

And what problem solving solution have any of you come up with besides voting certain people out? You mean the firebrands that extinguish themselves once in the circle and the voters realise they were lied to? Marvin Gaye sang about it 50 years ago, so this isn't even a recent problem your type of thinking.

I, also, note you think I'm 'angry'. Did I use expletives in talking to or about you? I don't think so or I don't recall that, so you can feel 'offended' all you like, but you should know that position is disingenuous, but it's yours to cling to.

No worries.

I just wanted you to see without bias and, obviously, you prefer the pitter pattering of talking around the issues and don't like it raw and sudden when someone is fed up with lack of change. I used to do groupthink before I realised any small change is always swallowed up by something truly problematic and that's the 'incrementalism' problem in a nutshell, isn't it?

TL;DR as it's a long detailed response? Cool.

Have a great day, Blue.
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TL;DR? It's one thing taking to the internet to try and get some more information and balance on some of the things you post such as ADOS but to have to figure out the acronyms as well... yes I read you're response despite it's length, just as I've watched the entirety of some of the videos you post in order to respond. Cool though if you want to assume I couldn't be bothered or don't have the capacity to absorb more than a few paragraphs.

Another assumption is that I come from a position of privilege. You know nothing of my background and of course it's all relative but if a childhood in the care system, a chronically hospitalised schizophrenic mother and leaving care at 16 with no follow up is privileged then I will count my blessings.

Call it then instead a question of ignorance, or a view that ultimately will differ from yours. You don't have the monopoly on concern for your fellow humans but we won't agree on the best way to affect change. The solutions go beyond voting certain people out and centre on having a viable radical alternative that can be sold to the electorate in sufficient numbers to ensure a majority, either side of the Atlantic and then being able to take on the vested interests that will oppose change.

A land grab from the rich, windfall taxes, a proper redistribution of wealth. I'd love to see it. I'm one of the few posters on this board who supported Corbyn but at the same time could see he hadn't a hope of getting elected. The only alternative to change through the political process is revolution. It isn't going to happen.

We're probably done on this, I'm sure we'll cross swords again and that neither of us will persuade the other to move.
 
journolud said:
TL;DR? It's one thing taking to the internet to try and get some more information and balance on some of the things you post such as ADOS but to have to figure out the acronyms as well... yes I read you're response despite it's length, just as I've watched the entirety of some of the videos you post in order to respond. Cool though if you want to assume I couldn't be bothered or don't have the capacity to absorb more than a few paragraphs.

Another assumption is that I come from a position of privilege. You know nothing of my background and of course it's all relative but if a childhood in the care system, a chronically hospitalised schizophrenic mother and leaving care at 16 with no follow up is privileged then I will count my blessings.

Call it then instead a question of ignorance, or a view that ultimately will differ from yours. You don't have the monopoly on concern for your fellow humans but we won't agree on the best way to affect change. The solutions go beyond voting certain people out and centre on having a viable radical alternative that can be sold to the electorate in sufficient numbers to ensure a majority, either side of the Atlantic and then being able to take on the vested interests that will oppose change.

A land grab from the rich, windfall taxes, a proper redistribution of wealth. I'd love to see it. I'm one of the few posters on this board who supported Corbyn but at the same time could see he hadn't a hope of getting elected. The only alternative to change through the political process is revolution. It isn't going to happen.

We're probably done on this, I'm sure we'll cross swords again and that neither of us will persuade the other to move.
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Kudos, then, that you took the time to read, but then are also not moved in your singular diatribe of 'cakeism' as you offer no alternative way of tackling the problem. 'Liked' by a champagne socialist earlier on that you would, theoretically', be at odds with.

I found that rather interesting, that particular alignment.

Ironically, your flippant remark on 'revolution' doesn't mark out what kind of such action would be necessary, but laid out naked for one to assume what to do with.

At least Corbyn would have been more forthcoming.

Yes, I think this discussion has reached the conclusion that being handcuffed to the invented weight of 'incrementalism', wins for you.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Great to have a US President that takes Climate Change, Schools and Care seriously and more importantly the role of being president seriously

  • $555bn aimed at fighting climate change, mainly through tax-incentives for renewable and low-emission sources of energy
  • $400bn for free and universal preschool for all 3- and 4-year-olds
  • $165bn to lower health care premiums for the nine million Americans covered through the Affordable Care Act - also known as Obamacare
  • $150bn to build one million affordable housing units
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Oh, I forgot about your post!

How about 'The View' from actual Biden supporters that are deemed the 'temperature' of America's 'moms and gramps'?

I wonder they think his plan is... 'great'...



When you can't get corporate shill Goldberg on board, yer pretty much toast...
 
Bigga said:
Oh, I forgot about your post!

How about 'The View' from actual Biden supporters that are deemed the 'temperature' of America's 'moms and gramps'?

I wonder they think his plan is... 'great'...



When you can't get corporate shill Goldberg on board, yer pretty much toast...
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Thanks for posting all those people saying it's better than nothing. Incrementalists to a woman.
 
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