President Joe Biden

[Dax777]

Biden needs to self market much more aggressively. It's a white lie to claim that the rise in jobs was due to Biden's policies as the above graph implies - on the other hand, Republicans are simply making things up.

The decisive swing voter when bombarded by Republican lies with little push back from Democrats are bound to be swayed towards voting Republican.

You are sure they won't vote Republican because they've considered the options carefully and made an informed decision?

I suppose such intelligence is reserved for Democrats and Democrat voters?

Democrats will probably lose the Senate in 2022, and probably the House and President in 2024.

Likely this will end Democracy in the US for awhile. Massive public outcry, violence and deaths may very well be coming to the USA.

Why would Democrats losing end Democracy? I hear people on the left say this all the time. It seems they confuse 'Democracy' with 'leftism'.

That's the only logic explanation I can come up with.

Fuck knows where it goes from there. Maybe I should try to move to Canada.

Canada? I wish you good luck my friend :)

 

[idahoblues]

You are sure they won't vote Republican because they've considered the options carefully and made an informed decision?

I suppose such intelligence is reserved for Democrats and Democrat voters?

Why would Democrats losing vend Democracy? I here people on the left say this all the time. It seems they confuse 'Democracy' with 'leftism'.

That's the only logic explanation I can come up with.


Canada? I wish you good luck my friend :)

He’s obviously never met Barky

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

Why would Democrats losing end Democracy? I hear people on the left say this all the time. It seems they confuse 'Democracy' with 'leftism'.

That's the only logic explanation I can come up with.

You Dax, have drunk so much Republican Koolaide that you're unreachable. The following is for the possibly persuadable Republicans.

As an aside, I was an every increasingly reluctant Republican (the Republican positions on social issues such as gun control and abortion made less and less sense as time went on) up until the point where Donald Trump became president.

Ex-president, Donald Trump, is a compulsive liar with little regard for governance and an ego which cannot accept defeat in any endeavor. In this digital age where so many unintentional remarks - true the nature of the individual - are captured on camera for all to see - there exists a plethora of evidence supporting this characterization of Trump.

Donald Trump is a master populist - telling the Republicans exactly what they want to hear - regardless of truth. He's a consummate politician, so much so, that he now controls the Republican party. Cross Donald Trump and it's virtually certain that you won't be elected if you're in the Republican party.

So, "Why would Democrats losing end Democracy?" - well, it wouldn't, ordinarily, but these are extraordinary times.

Donald Trump has pushed the false narrative that he won the last US Presidential election and has employed numerous illegal tactics to overturn election results - all of which failed - because Pence didn't go along with him; because election officials in swing states (many of whom are elected and are Republican) refused to acquiesce to Trump's demands, and so on.

Politics being what they are - election officials in swing states, whether elected or appointed by Republicans - will almost certainly go along with whatever Trump says in the 2024 presidential election. In other words, they'll find fault - where none exists - in a fair election - to overturn the popular vote and instead find favor for Trump.

The above is uncontroverted insofar as the 2020 election goes - whereas the 2024 behavior of Republican election officials in swing states is speculative - I think that the pro-Trump, anti-truth speculation is entirely foreseeable and reasonable.

So I put it to you Dax: Do Democrats actually confuse Democracy with leftism, or in plain, exhaustively documented fact, is Democracy at risk should Donald Trump run in 2024?

 

[mat]

Biden calls a reporter a stupid son of a woman and the media silence in comparison to their outrage over Shitgibbon is deafening.

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

Biden calls a reporter a stupid son of a woman and the media silence in comparison to their outrage over Shitgibbon is deafening.

Which media outlet do you refer to? Google this issue and virtually every single news outlet is covering the story.

https://news.google.com/stories/CAAqNggKIjBDQklTSGpvSmMzUnZjbmt0TXpZd1NoRUtEd2lkdW9mVEJCRlA2RldhNmhkaDBpZ0FQAQ?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

Biden was upset about Peter Doocy's question - called Doocy a "stupid son of a woman" when he thought that the mics were off - and later called to apologize to Doocy - which Doocy accepted.

This story is all over the news.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Biden calls a reporter a stupid son of a woman and the media silence in comparison to their outrage over Shitgibbon is deafening.

It was Pete Doocey. He was at least factually correct.

Trump on the other had just called everything he didn't like 'fake news' which was 99% of the time factually incorrect and often downright dangerous

 

[Dax777]

You Dax, have drunk so much Republican Koolaide that you're unreachable. The following is for the possibly persuadable Republicans.

So I ask you why you think one side in a 2 sided system winning means democracy ends, and your response is that I must have drunk too much Republican Kool aid?

I asked because one of the possibilities in a Democratic system with 2 strong parties, is the likelihood that one or the other would win.

As an aside, I was an every increasingly reluctant Republican (the Republican positions on social issues such as gun control and abortion made less and less sense as time went on) up until the point where Donald Trump became president.

Well, I'm happy for you, but this doesn't explain your claim. Let me analogize for you. We are City fans, can't stand Liverpool. But you don't sincerely believe Liverpool winning the league would end football, do you?

Ex-president, Donald Trump, is a compulsive liar with little regard for governance and an ego which cannot accept defeat in any endeavor. In this digital age where so many unintentional remarks - true the nature of the individual - are captured on camera for all to see - there exists a plethora of evidence supporting this characterization of Trump.

Ok. Let's suppose all this is true...

Donald Trump is a master populist - telling the Republicans exactly what they want to hear - regardless of truth. He's a consummate politician, so much so, that he now controls the Republican party. Cross Donald Trump and it's virtually certain that you won't be elected if you're in the Republican party.

Again, let's assume all of this is true too. Let's give it the best light possible for you. How does that end Democracy?

So, "Why would Democrats losing end Democracy?" - well, it wouldn't, ordinarily, but these are extraordinary times.

Donald Trump has pushed the false narrative that he won the last US Presidential election and has employed numerous illegal tactics to overturn election results - all of which failed - because Pence didn't go along with him; because election officials in swing states (many of whom are elected and are Republican) refused to acquiesce to Trump's demands, and so on.

Huh! So the Democracy ending Tyrant. Tried once to lie his way into ending democracy by claiming that he won when he didn't. And failed. So democracy in fact didn't end. But it would this time because????

Politics being what they are - election officials in swing states, whether elected or appointed by Republicans - will almost certainly go along with whatever Trump says in the 2024 presidential election. In other words, they'll find fault - where none exists - in a fair election - to overturn the popular vote and instead find favor for Trump.

Oh I see. So you are predicting before a single ballot is cast, that Trump.would lose, and then he'll cheat by forcing Republican Election officials to do what he says.... I see. Totally reasonable. Nothing Conspiratorial about this :)

In short, if a Republican wins, it was a rigged election.

Do you know who you sound like right now? Donald Trump!

The above is uncontroverted insofar as the 2020 election goes - whereas the 2024 behavior of Republican election officials in swing states is speculative - I think that the pro-Trump, Antoinette speculation is entirely foreseeable and reasonable.

It is entirely foreseeable and reasonable? Lol. To assume only one side can win? And that any victory by the other side must be rigged.

Pray tell, what if Trump doesn't run? Or better yet, what if he loses in the Republican primaries?

How should we reasonably and foreseeable consider your powers of prediction then?

So I put it to you Dax: Do Democrats actually confuse Democracy with leftism, or in plain, exhaustively documented fact, is Democracy at risk should Donald Trump run in 2024?

Again let's be clear about what your original claim was;

"Democrats will probably lose the Senate in 2022, and probably the House and President in 2024.

And likely this will end Democracy bin America for a while"

Again, help this Republican Kool aid drinking dolt understand how Republicans winning ( that's your prediction) end a system in which by nature of the system, they sometimes win?

Or does just saying "Trump!" satisfy that question for you. And if so, who's really on the Kool aid? :)

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

Again, help this Republican Kool aid drinking dolt understand how Republicans winning ( that's your prediction) end a system in which by nature of the system, they sometimes win?

Do you watch the news Dax? The 1/6 commission? Do you know who Brad Raffensperger is? How about Rudy Giuliani? Sidney Powell?

Do you find it strange that so many top officials, including cabinet members appointed by Trump have all voiced the same opinion? - namely that Trump is delusional and unfit for office? And have gone on record publically to state so.

The Kool Aide is strong in you Dax. No other president, ever, ever - has experienced such defection among his own appointed officials - sour grapes you might rightly claim. Except for the fact that each and every one of them say precisely the same thing.
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>> end a system in which by nature of the system, they sometimes win?
I've already told you that prior to Trump I was basically a Republican. I've no problem if another Ronald Regan or George Bush won office. Hell, I might even vote for them. Indeed, were Donald Trump to win office in a fair election I'd hate it - but accept the fact.

In Trump though - we have someone who, like, for example, Putin, wants to hold sham "elections" in which he'll always win - regardless of actual votes. Those nasty swing state outcomes? Not a problem if Trump is able to "demonstrate" massive fraud where none exists and throw those results out. In 2020 we nearly ended Democracy in the USA by rejecting the election outcome and instead installing Trump.

And that's why your Democratic friends think that Democracy is on the verge of death. That you don't see this speaks volumes. Either you don't give a shit 'cause your side will win in the event that Republicans succeed in overturning Democracy - or you're so tuned into Fox News, OAN, and so forth - that you actually believe that Trump won the 2020 election - that those who invaded the Capitol on 1/6 were patriots - and that Lindell - the My Pillow Guy - will demonstrate beyond doubt that the 2020 election was stolen.

And in case you think the above paragraph is simply some sort of rabid, delusional, partisan fantasy - it's not. Numerous Republicans who have come to know Trump have concluded precisely the same thing.

Democracy in the USA is at risk of dying out because; 1) Of Trump's behavior and; 2) approximately half of the USA don't seem to care. Juxtapose the present alongside 40-plus years ago when Richard Nixon was caught up in a much less severe illegal attempt at election interference - which shocked the nation - both Democrat and Republican - and ended Nixon's political career. The contrast couldn't be more stark.

 

[journolud]

Biden calls a reporter a stupid son of a woman and the media silence in comparison to their outrage over Shitgibbon is deafening.

There is no comparison between Biden saying something when he thought the mic was off and the despicable and repeated utterances of Trump

 

[Dax777]

Do you watch the news Dax? The 1/6 commission? Do you know who Brad Raffensperger is? How about Rudy Giuliani? Sidney Powell?

Do you find it strange that so many top officials, including cabinet members appointed by Trump have all voiced the same opinion? - namely that Trump is delusional and unfit for office? And have gone on record publically to state so.

Again, it seems you are having a hard time with your own claims... If the above is true, how does Republicans winning, end Democracy?

Your words! I'd Republicans win in 2022 ( as you predicted) how does Democracy end?

You keep arguing a Strawman that I've never questioned. Again, your claim, not mine. This isn't me pretending I can read your mind?

Simply asking you how Republicans winning House and Senate seats end Democracy?

I'm going to conclude it doesn't, seeing as you seem to be struggling with answering that question.

The Kool Aide is strong in you Dax. No other president, ever, ever - has experienced such defection among his own appointed officials - sour grapes you might rightly claim. Except for the fact that each and every one of them say precisely the same thing.
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>> end a system in which by nature of the system, they sometimes win?
I've already told you that prior to Trump I was basically a Republican. I've no problem if another Ronald Regan or George Bush won office. Hell, I might even vote for them. Indeed, were Donald Trump to win office in a fair election I'd hate it - but accept the fact.

You are a "never Trumper." Good to know. But that doesn't explain how Republicans winning ends Democracy.

And pray tell, how would you know if Donald Trump wins in a fair election?

In Trump though - we have someone who, like, for example, Putin, wants to hold sham "elections" in which he'll always win - regardless of actual votes. Those nasty swing state outcomes? Not a problem if Trump is able to "demonstrate" massive fraud where none exists and throw those results out. In 2020 we nearly ended Democracy in the USA by rejecting the election outcome and instead installing Trump.

There you go. So Trump can't win a fair election then. If Trump wins, the only possibility is that he rigged it.

Got it!

And that's why your Democratic friends think that Democracy is on the verge of death. That you don't see this speaks volumes. Either you don't give a shit 'cause your side will win in the event that Republicans succeed in overturning Democracy - or you're so tuned into Fox News, OAN, and so forth - that you actually believe that Trump won the 2020 election - that those who invaded the Capitol on 1/6 were patriots - and that Lindell - the My Pillow Guy - will demonstrate beyond doubt that the 2020 election was stolen.

Thank you for being honest. You do think if Republicans win then Democracy has been overturned.

Fam, Just say so. You keep beating around the bush as if that's not what you believe.

No man, I don't believe Trump won the 2020 election. I know you wish I did. I don't. I don't even think Trump is guaranteed to win the Republican nomination IF he ran. I think Ron Desantis is a far more formidable candidate against both Trump and whoever the Democratic candidate turns out to be...

And in case you think the above paragraph is simply some sort of rabid, delusional, partisan fantasy - it's not. Numerous Republicans who have come to know Trump have concluded precisely the same thing.

I won't insult you and call you names... But It's an active imagination you've got on you there.

Democracy in the USA is at risk of dying out because; 1) Of Trump's behavior and; 2) approximately half of the USA don't seem to care. Juxtapose the present alongside 40-plus years ago when Richard Nixon was caught up in a much less severe illegal attempt at election interference - which shocked the nation - both Democrat and Republican - and ended Nixon's political career. The contrast couldn't be more stark.

Democracy, is the process by which a group of people pick who they wan to represent them in government.

I'll give you this, people who without evidence, make spurious claims about the likely illegitimacy of elections that have yet to be held, do more to destroy faith in Democratic processes and by extension, Democracy itself.

Thus, like Trump and now Biden ( who is already insinuating that he can't guarantee the legitimacy of the upcoming elections without his voting rights bill) undermine democracy with such idiotic statements.

And while I can't accuse you of such, as you are not a public figure... If there are public figures making the spurious claims you are making here, they too are a greater risk to Democracy than the potential likelihood of a Trump Presidential win.