President Trump

Blue Mist said:
Growing up in the sixties and seventies we were taught that Communism was the enemy of us all.
I am sure they were right then but now we've gone completely the opposite.
Russia has a dictator, Turkey and Israel seem to be heading quickly there, Trump is doing it or at least trying to.

To me it's not left or right wing. It is simply power mad idiots who are a danger to the free world.
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Communist
Fascist

Both lead to authoritarian leaders.
 
Blue Mist said:
Growing up in the sixties and seventies we were taught that Communism was the enemy of us all.
I am sure they were right then but now we've gone completely the opposite.
Russia has a dictator, Turkey and Israel seem to be heading quickly there, Trump is doing it or at least trying to.

To me it's not left or right wing. It is simply power mad idiots who are a danger to the free world.
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Exactly. You and I could disagree about a million detailed things but at the end of the day we're (I'm assuming) two blokes trying to navigate a world that is being set on fire by a tiny group of people who are so crazed with the lust for power and money that any differences of opinion we might have should pale into insignificance in the face of the threat they pose.

The only way things are going to change is if enough ordinary people recognise it's not left v right anymore. It's plutocrats, oligarchs and their dictatorial political henchmen against the rest of us.
 
threespires said:
Exactly. You and I could disagree about a million detailed things but at the end of the day we're (I'm assuming) two blokes trying to navigate a world that is being set on fire by a tiny group of people who are so crazed with the lust for power and money that any differences of opinion we might have should pale into insignificance in the face of the threat they pose.

The only way things are going to change is if enough ordinary people recognise it's not left v right anymore. It's plutocrats, oligarchs and their dictatorial political henchmen against the rest of us.
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Go and look at Bernie and AOC rallies. They meet your last paragraph directly.
 
threespires said:
Exactly. You and I could disagree about a million detailed things but at the end of the day we're (I'm assuming) two blokes trying to navigate a world that is being set on fire by a tiny group of people who are so crazed with the lust for power and money that any differences of opinion we might have should pale into insignificance in the face of the threat they pose.

The only way things are going to change is if enough ordinary people recognise it's not left v right anymore. It's plutocrats, oligarchs and their dictatorial political henchmen against the rest of us.
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This is already happening. I'm heartened by the fact that this thread is full of people from all political persuasions who are united in their condemnation of Trump. Apart from the very odd MAGA loon, I think we're all pretty much singing from the same hymn sheet on here now.
 
Question for anybody who really understands US politics: what are the possibilities of curtailing 4 years of this?
If the mid-terms were to go against Trump - even in the most dramatic of fashions - what options would that open up?
Is there any facility for a 'vote of confidence in the President' or similar?
I'd been assuming that, short of assassination, 4 years was nailed on - but are there any constitutional paths forward? Who would have the authority to call for such a motion, other than his sycophants?
If there should be such a thing, and should it come to pass, what are the chances of anything other than a Trump-controlled puppet being placed in charge?
 
M18CTID said:
This is already happening. I'm heartened by the fact that this thread is full of people from all political persuasions who are united in their condemnation of Trump. Apart from the very odd MAGA loon, I think we're all pretty much singing from the same hymn sheet on here now.
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Outside the US though, it was no different the first time around.
Like loads on here, I'm a member of many WhatsApp groups, across a very wide demographic (including a judge, bank managers, builders, musicians, even a drug addict). Maybe 300-odd Trump-related posts during his first term, every single one mocking him.

Yet here we are again.

Unless MAGA crowd can be secretly fed bromide from now on it's difficult to see anything other than a 4-yearly toss of a coin.
 
noseve said:
Question for anybody who really understands US politics: what are the possibilities of curtailing 4 years of this?
If the mid-terms were to go against Trump - even in the most dramatic of fashions - what options would that open up?
Is there any facility for a 'vote of confidence in the President' or similar?
I'd been assuming that, short of assassination, 4 years was nailed on - but are there any constitutional paths forward? Who would have the authority to call for such a motion, other than his sycophants?
If there should be such a thing, and should it come to pass, what are the chances of anything other than a Trump-controlled puppet being placed in charge?
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My understanding, which may be wrong...

Trump can be impeached by congress. He's probably breached several articles of the constitution which would justify that, most notably but by no means only leading an insurrection (amendment 14) . Requires IIRC a simple majority of House, and 2/3 majority of Senate.

If impeached, VP takes over.

If VP impeached, Speaker of the House.

You can see how likely this is, and that it doesn't necessarily improve things!
 
KS55 said:
Go and look at Bernie and AOC rallies. They meet your last paragraph directly.
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Yes, I noticed your previous post about them and went and had a look. I've always had time for both of them, I remember a few years ago Zuckerberg running rings round a house committee of mostly older men and him smiling in a patronising fashion quite a lot, when AOC spoke his demeanor changed and it looked like he would have got up and stabbed her there and then if he thought he'd get away with it. She had his number and he knew it.

Not sure ultimately the degree to which a large scale opposition would coalesce around those two but at least they are carrying the fight.
 
noseve said:
Question for anybody who really understands US politics: what are the possibilities of curtailing 4 years of this?
If the mid-terms were to go against Trump - even in the most dramatic of fashions - what options would that open up?
Is there any facility for a 'vote of confidence in the President' or similar?
I'd been assuming that, short of assassination, 4 years was nailed on - but are there any constitutional paths forward? Who would have the authority to call for such a motion, other than his sycophants?
If there should be such a thing, and should it come to pass, what are the chances of anything other than a Trump-controlled puppet being placed in charge?
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I don't really qualify as per your first line, but my understanding is the military swear to uphold the constitution. As I don't really see much hope of a political curtailment of the russian schill, I'm pinning my hopes on sufficient damage being done to that constitution to trigger his removal and subsequent impeachment via a military led movement. I mention subsequent impeachment because I believe that would prevent a full scale civil war, which I'm pretty sure isn't good for anyone west of the Dnipro
 
noseve said:
Question for anybody who really understands US politics: what are the possibilities of curtailing 4 years of this?
If the mid-terms were to go against Trump - even in the most dramatic of fashions - what options would that open up?
Is there any facility for a 'vote of confidence in the President' or similar?
I'd been assuming that, short of assassination, 4 years was nailed on - but are there any constitutional paths forward? Who would have the authority to call for such a motion, other than his sycophants?
If there should be such a thing, and should it come to pass, what are the chances of anything other than a Trump-controlled puppet being placed in charge?
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If he loses the mid terms badly the Democrats will control both house of Congress where Trumps majorities are small. Trump type legislation will be impossible and he is likely to try to rule by decree and ignore the constitution. SCOTUS will then be the battle ground as opposition try to win cases based on constitutional grounds. In my view, trump has made a classic error in already getting the SCOTUS judges annoyed with him when he needs them. The chief justice has explicitly warned against his attacks on trial judges.
Members of Trumps cabinet can trigger his removal on mental capacity grounds but I can’t see them doing that.
There is no political equivalent of UK Commons vote of no confidence. The only route for Congress is impeachment which requires a majority in the House and a two thirds majority in the Senate to find him guilty of a high crime or misdemeanor. That would require him to resign.

U.S. Senate: About Impeachment

www.senate.gov www.senate.gov
 
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KS55 said:
If he loses the mid terms badly the Democrats will control both house of Congress where Trumps majorities are small. Trump type legislation will be impossible and he is likely to try to rule by decree and ignore the constitution. SCOTUS will then be the battle ground as opposition try to win cases based on constitutional grounds. In my view, trump has made a classic error in already getting the SCOTUS judges annoyed with him when he needs them. The chief justice has explicitly warned against his attacks on trial judges.
Members of Trumps cabinet can trigger his removal on mental capacity grounds but I can’t see them doing that.
There is no political equivalent of UK Commons vote of no confidence. The only route for Congress is impeachment which requires a majority in the House and a two thirds majority in the Senate to find him guilty. That would require him to resign.

U.S. Senate: About Impeachment

www.senate.gov www.senate.gov
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If that happens, we can expect the mechanised brigade of the Justice Department to conduct a full-frontal assault those battleground states that voted against the administration, with the FBI piling in from the flanks and cracking skulls for non-existent election interference. The PR machine will be switched to full-NK mode.

As you say, he needs SCOTUS onside. Expect agents Tomas and Kavanaugh to put a shift in and earn their bribes money by leaning on Barret & Co.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
If that happens, we can expect the mechanised brigade of the Justice Department to conduct a full-frontal assault those battleground states that voted against the administration, with the FBI piling in from the flanks and cracking skulls for non-existent election interference. The PR machine will be switched to full-NK mode.

As you say, he needs SCOTUS onside. Expect agents Tomas and Kavanaugh to put a shift in and earn their bribes money by leaning on Barret & Co.
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You’re probably right. Musk is already piling money in to try to overthrow the popular vote for the federal judge position in Wisconsin. The DoJ is just a Trump extension and the AG is a cypher. Bad times ahead.
 
KS55 said:
You’re probably right. Musk is already piling money in to try to overthrow the popular vote for the federal judge position in Wisconsin. The DoJ is just a Trump extension and the AG is a cypher. Bad times ahead.
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The only hope is that Robert's did push back against the administration last week, but I'm suspicious that was just for the optics so they can claim they are truly independent because that one time the Chief Justice scalded him.

It's a very sad state of affairs when you can't simply take things like that at face value anymore.
 
flook said:
I don't really qualify as per your first line, but my understanding is the military swear to uphold the constitution. As I don't really see much hope of a political curtailment of the russian schill, I'm pinning my hopes on sufficient damage being done to that constitution to trigger his removal and subsequent impeachment via a military led movement. I mention subsequent impeachment because I believe that would prevent a full scale civil war, which I'm pretty sure isn't good for anyone west of the Dnipro
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You're describing a military coup.
 
As we are discussing how to remove trump, here is another question.

If Trump says he is invading Canada/Greenland/Mexico can he just instruct the armed forces to do it or does he need authority from somewhere?
@roubaixtuesday as per your comment in the last post re a military coup.
If he says invade and the top generals saw the stupidity of that, I assume it's either a military coup or perhaps the courts could intervene ?

It shows how fucked up this all is. In my 67 years on this planet I never thought I'd be typing this.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
You're describing a military coup.
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I'm aware, but once the shotgibbon and the rest of the MAGA loonies are removed, then the remaining senate impeaches shitgibbon and just dim and everyone lives happily ever after.

I'm also aware it's an unlikely and dangerous road to go down, but I don't see much alternative. Shitgibbon isn't going anywhere voluntarily and I don't think mid-terms will change that
 
On tv again saying they’ve found loads of fraud, yet no one has been charged at all. It’s the same shit different day, Musk talking bollocks as usual, it’s all sound bites and nonsense.
 
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