mancity2012_eamo
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Ah well don’t worry about it so.
It could be hereditary in four years anyway.
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It could be hereditary in four years anyway.
mancity2012_eamo
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I don’t think Trump likes your sort at all.
Tell us CB. You’re amongst friends.
What exactly is unnatural about you?
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Democrats Being Party of the Rich Could Cost Them 2024 Election.
Published Jun 14, 2023Data shows wealthier Americans are now solidly behind the Democratic Party, a generational realignment that has altered power dynamics in D.C.
"It used to be that the Republican Party was more or less the party of the well-off and affluent," Anthony Fowler, a professor in the Harris School of Public Policy at the University of Chicago who studies political polarization, told Newsweek. "And it seems like that's shifting."
Democrats being party of the rich could cost them 2024 election
A growing body of research shows wealthier Americans flocking to the Democratic Party. The working class, meanwhile, has been forgotten.
www.newsweek.com
The Democrats Need to End the Addiction to Political Money
November 9, 2016In the 1990s, Bill Clinton turned the Democratic Party on to campaign cash from Wall Street and lobbyists. This year, as Hillary Clinton called for ending “the stranglehold that the wealthy and special interests have on so much of our government,” the Democratic National Committee rolled back restrictions banning donations from federal lobbyists and political action committees. This obsession with raising money at all costs has skewed the Democratic party brand and alienated huge swaths of voters.
What party operatives, pundits and pollsters have repeatedly failed to recognize is that voters are angry at the cozy relationship between big money and the political establishment. This election, that anger finally reached a boiling point, fueling the meteoric candidacies of both Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders.
Americans want to know: Why do hedge fund titans still pay a lower tax rate than middle-class Americans? Why did President Obama pass an industry-friendly health care overhaul instead of the one he originally promised? Why have no top bankers gone to jail for the financial crisis? When it comes to making government work for the little guy, voters see a Democratic Party that for eight years has been all talk, no action.
Democrats Can’t Quit Their Addiction to Big-Money Donors
June 30, 2020
Democrats Can’t Quit Their Addiction to Big-Money Donors
The urgency of beating Trump in November has once again set campaign finance reform on the back burner.
newrepublic.com
Have the Democrats Become the Party of the Élites?
December 14, 2024
In the past three decades, he argues, the Democratic Party has been transformed from the party of non-symbolic workers to the party of symbolic élites. This strikes him as a fateful misstep: If elections are about convincing voters that you’re on their side, then why associate your party with a group that most voters not only don’t identify with but actively resent?
Symbolic capitalists—academics, commentators, lawyers, consultants—manipulate words or data rather than making things with their hands.
Have the Democrats Become the Party of the Élites?
The sociologist Musa al-Gharbi argues that the “Great Awokening” alienated “normie voters,” making it difficult for Kamala Harris—and possibly future Democrats—to win.
December 16, 2024
Brilliant article. Adds more meat to the New Yorker article above.
What Happened to the Democratic Party?
The squalid state of our present political institutions points to a failure of not just individuals but the system as a whole.
www.thenation.com
FogBlueInSanFran
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You, and others, keep trying to over-complicate this.Democrats Being Party of the Rich Could Cost Them 2024 Election.
Published Jun 14, 2023
Data shows wealthier Americans are now solidly behind the Democratic Party, a generational realignment that has altered power dynamics in D.C.
"It used to be that the Republican Party was more or less the party of the well-off and affluent," Anthony Fowler, a professor in the Harris School of Public Policy at the University of Chicago who studies political polarization, told Newsweek. "And it seems like that's shifting."
Democrats being party of the rich could cost them 2024 election
A growing body of research shows wealthier Americans flocking to the Democratic Party. The working class, meanwhile, has been forgotten.
The Democrats Need to End the Addiction to Political Money
November 9, 2016
In the 1990s, Bill Clinton turned the Democratic Party on to campaign cash from Wall Street and lobbyists. This year, as Hillary Clinton called for ending “the stranglehold that the wealthy and special interests have on so much of our government,” the Democratic National Committee rolled back restrictions banning donations from federal lobbyists and political action committees. This obsession with raising money at all costs has skewed the Democratic party brand and alienated huge swaths of voters.
What party operatives, pundits and pollsters have repeatedly failed to recognize is that voters are angry at the cozy relationship between big money and the political establishment. This election, that anger finally reached a boiling point, fueling the meteoric candidacies of both Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders.
Americans want to know: Why do hedge fund titans still pay a lower tax rate than middle-class Americans? Why did President Obama pass an industry-friendly health care overhaul instead of the one he originally promised? Why have no top bankers gone to jail for the financial crisis? When it comes to making government work for the little guy, voters see a Democratic Party that for eight years has been all talk, no action.
Democrats Can’t Quit Their Addiction to Big-Money Donors
June 30, 2020
Democrats Can’t Quit Their Addiction to Big-Money Donors
The urgency of beating Trump in November has once again set campaign finance reform on the back burner.
Have the Democrats Become the Party of the Élites?
December 14, 2024
In the past three decades, he argues, the Democratic Party has been transformed from the party of non-symbolic workers to the party of symbolic élites. This strikes him as a fateful misstep: If elections are about convincing voters that you’re on their side, then why associate your party with a group that most voters not only don’t identify with but actively resent?
Symbolic capitalists—academics, commentators, lawyers, consultants—manipulate words or data rather than making things with their hands.
What Happened to the Democratic Party?Have the Democrats Become the Party of the Élites?
The sociologist Musa al-Gharbi argues that the “Great Awokening” alienated “normie voters,” making it difficult for Kamala Harris—and possibly future Democrats—to win.www.newyorker.com
December 16, 2024
Brilliant article. Adds more meat to the New Yorker article above.
What Happened to the Democratic Party?
The squalid state of our present political institutions points to a failure of not just individuals but the system as a whole.
From the last article:
Throughout his campaign, Donald Trump and the Republicans told us exactly who they are. They pledged to wreak vengeance on their political enemies, to create a new counter-federalist brigade of brownshirts to initiate mass deportations, to bomb Iran to smithereens, and to establish an interstate menstrual surveillance regime. Trump barked out random non sequiturs about windmills and Hannibal Lecter and bobbed silently to schlock-heavy playlists. He dogmatically asserted his faith in tariffs and their ability to magically eliminate inequality and create mass prosperity, even if they would do the opposite. And yet Kamala Harris and the Democrats struggled to mount a successful opposition.
Why did Donald Trump win?
Because.
The.
Majority.
Of.
Americans.
Want.
Those.
Same.
Things.
Especially the vengeance part.
On the policy side (not the vengeance side), a lot of this is no different than the divide Ronald Reagan exploited. And I voted for him.
But Ronald Reagan wasn't a lying convicted felon who denied the results of a legitimate election running for protection from crime, money and personal aggrandizement.
The GOP has done an excellent job portraying any and all Democrats as either communist/socialists or elitists. Had Sanders won the nomination and lost to Trump, all these narratives would be about how the Democratic party had lost the middle to radicals.
Once again there's no answer to the question: what do you want Democrats to do if they won't get down in the mud and support pregnancy tests before interstate travel? Once again there is no answer. Just more bleating.
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Trevor Morley's Tache
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I'm not sure a majority of Americans wanted those things, but they knew what they didn't want, which is ultimately led to the downfall of Harris' bid for the Whitehouse.
Black and a woman???
Didn't stand a chance in reality, even with Trump as unpalatable as he was with many voters.
So now you're a Starmer fan?
FogBlueInSanFran
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But they hate and blame Biden too. I don't think there is anyone the Democrats could have run.
Every time I ask the question, the answers always come back the same.
Not enough people gave a fuck about who or what Trump is to defeat him no matter who was running against him.
Trevor Morley's Tache
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They'll start caring when it's too late, which is ultimately how democracies fail.
This is what I keep hearing/seeing.
Yet, as an outsider, all I saw was a Presidential nominee who was absolutely hopeless and without any leadership or conviction.
In fact, probably the worst candidate in my 60 years on this planet.
So bad that she couldn't even beat Trump
Dems really need to look at where THEY have gone catastrophically wrong instead of making stuff up.
FogBlueInSanFran
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And this is what I keep hearing and seeing.
And so I will keep asking.
Who should they have run who could beat Trump then?
Ps. Trump has conviction. Well . . . A conviction.
And I've posted an answer to this before, weeks ago
And I'm not about to repeat myself.
It was/is up to the Dems to find a worthy candidate. Any "passing the parcel" antics to anyone who thought she was hopeless, is both lazy and deflective.
And it doesn't help to rebuild an effective opposition because it's denying any real responsibility and is not a proper examination of where things went wrong.
It's destructive and leads nowhere.. Blaming other people for voting for the opposition is not how to regroup and win the next battle ....self analysis and awareness is
FogBlueInSanFran
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That's funny.
I would say lazy, deflective, denying any real responsibility, destructive, leading nowhere and lack of self-analysis are all things who describe critics who don't offer better alternatives.
I get it. Whatever the alternative is/will be, whomever offers it, my guess is that will be the worst Dem in 64 years.
And so it goes.
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With respect....thats absolute bollocks.
And you are doing the same again ie "it's everyone else's fault for not agreeing with me. Their opinion isn't as 'educated' or as 'worthy' as mine" kind of guff.
If the Dems come up with a worthy candidate then I'll be rootng for them. Absolutely.
Mainly because I'm left wing by nature and I think they have a wonderful history of making a real difference to people's lives.
But they have completely lost their way and need a rethink. Much like our Labour party did.
Telling everyone that the reasons the Dems lost was because Harris is a black woman is ridiculous.
FogBlueInSanFran
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I didn't say that. I agree that's not why she lost.
I said the reason Trump won is because more Americans want his policies in place than not in place.
Mass deportations, widespread freedom to own guns, significant abortion restrictions, tariffs which will onshore jobs and not raise costs to the consumer, withdrawal from the world's policeman role, and, as much as anything, punishment for all the illegal activities committed by Dems all over the nation.
Well, it's hard to answer a question based on a false premise... "Pregnancy tests before interstate travel" My God Foggy... The daylight between you and Mr Kobayashi is getting harder and harder to find :(
Correct! They did not buy your theory of the case or that of the Democrats. They thought what directly affected their lives was more important. Silly folks.
.The Dems need to rebuild and get a "real" message out that resonates with the people that voted against them.
They need to reconnect.
How they do that I have no idea, but they could/should start with someone who actually has conviction in what they are saying and connects with what matters for the majority.
It's hard to tell now because of how things played out.
They clearly didn't want Biden. So had Biden decided not to run, allow a primary and let the best candidates step forward. Perhaps some who even trash some of Biden's incompetence.
Perhaps that person would have had a chance
As Mackenzie put it, Kamala was uniquely terrible as a candidate.. And glued to Biden's unwanted regime too.
FogBlueInSanFran
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I just explained what matters to the majority. Why else would people vote for Trump knowing all they know about him? They voted for his policies. Ask Dax. He's said it many times.
Bernie Sanders has conviction in what he's saying -- he couldn't be more opposed to many middle-of-the-road Democratic planks. Trump would have successfully painted him as a communist/socialist and middle-of-the-road Dems might have stayed home. Buttigieg? Newsom (LOL)? Whitmer?
If you want to blame someone, which I have, blame Biden for not stepping aside after the midterms.
But even so, we are back to criticizing the candidates, the messages, etc. without looking at the Occam's Razor argument:
The majority of voters buy what Trump is selling and want his policies, and if not him, despite him.
I really don't know how you sell around that.
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FogBlueInSanFran
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And what, pray tell, was that?