President Trump

SamTheGuru said:
I don't believe it is fascism, it is possibly autocriticism. On the other side, democracy absolutely does not work in it's current format.
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"Democracy is a very bad form of government; it's the best form of government we have."
(Not his exact words, but close.)
- Winston Churchill.
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
From the wikipedia:

Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.

* far right - check
* authoritarian - check
* ultranationalist - check
* dictatorial leader (or wanna be) - check
* centralized autocracy - check
* militarism - check
* forcible suppression of opposition - work in progress
* subordination of blah, blah, blah - well, all the other factors check out
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Far right - no (Left/Right wing concept needs to be deleted)
Ultra national - no
The rest - I agree.
 
SamTheGuru said:
Far right - no (Left/Right wing concept needs to be deleted)
Ultra national - no
The rest - I agree.
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I've no idea what you mean by "deleting" the concept of political leanings, Left and Right. The terms are apt, and, mentally "delete" them as you wish, they still exist.

Ultra nationalist - let's see, what does MAGA mean? Oh yeah: Make "AMERICA" great again.

And what was that Trump phrase he always uses? "AMERICA" first.

And who was he egging on to raid the Capitol? - Why it was the Proud Boys, and the Oath Keepers.

And who were among the criminals whose sentences Trump just commuted? - why the leaders of the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers. You know - the sort of ultra-nationalist group that led to Ruby Ridge and the Oklahoma City bombing.

Trump not an ultra-nationalist my ass.
 
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Dax777 said:
Now you've resorted to attacking me coz your bishop views immigrants as servants.

See what she made you do? That's why she is an idiot :) You on the other hand, are jist a victim of having to defend an idiot :)
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So you think it would be idiotic to let undocumented migrants just carry on doing what they're doing?

Would you deport them all, or give them citizenship?

But it's fascinating that you think these jobs are "servitude"... how are they different from your job apart from the level of pay?

Would you criticise a 19th century anti-slavery bishop for taking the side of "servants"?
 
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SamTheGuru said:
I don't believe it is fascism, it is possibly autocriticism. On the other side, democracy absolutely does not work in it's current format.
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It’s not democracy though. The super rich have seized power and they won’t let go. Future US elections will be a sham with the far right controlling both the narrative and the media. What’s most worrying is the response of the rest of the world to Trump et al - as weak and pathetic as the opposition to Hitler in the 1930s.
 
nmc said:
It’s not democracy though. The super rich have seized power and they won’t let go. Future US elections will be a sham with the far right controlling both the narrative and the media. What’s most worrying is the response of the rest of the world to Trump et al - as weak and pathetic as the opposition to Hitler in the 1930s.
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And herein lies the problem, we've reached a point where a tiny proportion of the population are using certain characterstics or components of democratic systems to maintain a veneer of democracy to disguise our descent into Plutocracy.

Democracy isn't defined exclusively by the form of electing leaders, amongst other things it requires free and diverse media and at least a degree of meritocracy to function in an effective fashion. The more we move away from this and load the dice against the vast majority of the population the less we resemble a democracy. Democracy isn't the problem, it's the fact that we do nothing as people systematically replace it, that is the issue.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Very true. Also, if trees had ID cards, they’d suck up more water.
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They cross the border at night...

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