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Dax777 said:
You must have never watched JD in action.
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He did say "is an awkward public speaker off the cuff"

His making of ill-judged sexist remarks and the airing of his outdated views and opinions have all been pretty much unscripted replies and outbursts, you know, "off the cuff".

You may well be chatting about autocue Vance, if that's the case, well done him for being able to read.
 
mackenzie said:
With what we know about Trump I think the most likely outcome of yesterday's debacle is that it was a set up for Zelensky. If a peace deal can't be done then it sure as hell isn't going to be Trump's fault as far as Trump is concerned.
It had all the makings of "Look how much I tried but that Ukraine guy is the problem. Not Putin and certainly not ME!"
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Correct , shame half of America and the MAGA morons will actually believe him on this.
 
I know everyone seems to believe Trump is just doing what Putin wants, but I can't help feeling that went really badly for Russia yesterday.

Russia really need this war to end and I'm still not convinced they can defeat Ukraine even with the US helping. Maybe they could have won in the first year, but not now.

Personally, I think Trump overplayed his hand and Putin will be gutted.

Trump just made Europe have to get it's act together and that's the last thing Russia wants right now!
 
Nightmare Walking said:
There is no way that CEO's behave like that behind closed doors. They would never get any deals done. Donald Trump thought he had all the cards yesterday. He brought a guy into his home, into an unfriendly arena, talking to him in his second language, tried to bully, belittle and embarrass him. Yet, where did it get Donald Trump? Absolutely nowhere. There is no deal. Zelensky has elevated his standing while Trump and Vance have diminished the standing of America in front of the whole world.

Imagine having everything in your favour and still not securing a deal as you do not know how to behave. Yesterday was embarrassing for the American nation. Imagine going from being thought as, as the leaders of the free world, to a nation that can't be trusted or relied on.

Now if the CEO of your company went into a business meeting, looking to secure a deal, after telling the world how good he is at securing deals. With all the cards in his hands and everything in his favour. Yet failed to secure any deal while totally embarrassing your company. I guarantee he would not be the CEO of your company for much longer. Thats why high level people do not negotiate in the way Trump and the USA did yesterday.

All they have succeeded in doing is enhancing Zelenskys reputation and driving a wedge between Transatlantic relations.

Trump is also wrong when he says that Ukraine does not have a very good hand. When the other guy is prepared to fight to the death, thats a game no one can win. It does not matter what cards Trump has, America will lose out in this situation, in some way. Yet, he is too stupid to realise this. Trump could have been a hero. History will look down in shame on his performance yesterday. No one negotiates like that.
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Dick Fuld of Lehman Brothers is a great example of a CEO who did precisely what Trump did when he was close to securing a deal with Korea Development Bank.
 
Blue.Roys.Son said:
I know everyone seems to believe Trump is just doing what Putin wants, but I can't help feeling that went really badly for Russia yesterday.

Russia really need this war to end and I'm still not convinced they can defeat Ukraine even with the US helping. Maybe they could have won in the first year, but not now.

Personally, I think Trump overplayed his hand and Putin will be gutted.

Trump just made Europe have to get it's act together and that's the last thing Russia wants right now!
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I can see this. Putin is desperate, sanctions are wrecking the Russian economy and he has lost so much resource in this war and at a rate he cannot sustain for much longer
 
blueinsa said:
Well the best deal maker ever didn’t get his deal done did he?

That’s what their whaling and whining at Zelenskyy got them yesterday.

Peace? Fuck all to do with peace and everything to do with Putin walking with what he wants and these two getting their hands on Ukraines mineral wealth.
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Agreed. They are nowhere closer today to than yesterday. That said, I don't see your conclusion.

My assumption ( and my hope) is that the mineral deal would eventually be signed, a ceasefire would be reached between Ukraine and Russia, and an American and European guarantee of protection will be included in the deal.

But for now, back to the drawing board.
 
the-ecstacy-of-eight said:
He did say "is an awkward public speaker off the cuff"

His making of ill-judged sexist remarks and the airing of his outdated views and opinions have all been pretty much unscripted replies and outbursts, you know, "off the cuff".

You may well be chatting about autocue Vance, if that's the case, well done him for being able to read.
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He is not reading in interviews. Is he?
 
Dax777 said:
Agreed. They are nowhere closer today to than yesterday. That said, I don't see your conclusion.

My assumption ( and my hope) is that the mineral deal would eventually be signed, a ceasefire would be reached between Ukraine and Russia, and an American and European guarantee of protection will be included in the deal.

But for now, back to the drawing board.
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I sincerely hope you’re correct but I’m increasingly worried at what cost to the Ukraine it will come at, or what benefit, if any at all.

I hear Trump demanding things of Zelenskyy I don’t hear him demanding of Putin and for someone with no sides here as he says and just wants peace, I’m finding it impossible to believe him or anyone who claims that’s what he stands for.
 
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Dax777 said:
My assumption ( and my hope) is that the mineral deal would eventually be signed, a ceasefire would be reached between Ukraine and Russia, and an American and European guarantee of protection will be included in the deal.
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This is another bald-faced lie — especially the American protection part. You hope nothing of the sort. You will support whatever outcome Trump tells you is a great outcome for America. It doesn’t actually matter what it is, who suffers, how fair or balanced it is.
 
The perfect fumble said:
Explain the deal to me.
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Correct any wrong assumptions. Zelensly was in the States to sign a joint venture mineral deal with the U.S. government as part of a 3 step process to an end to the war.
1. Minerals joint venture
2. Ceasefire deal
3. Or 2b if you prefer. Guarantee of future protection by US and Europe against Russian invasion


Did I miss anything?
 
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